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"Er, the point we have raised which I suspect you are missing (or refuse to accept) - is that there must be a cause of physical causation.

"There is no physical causation in the void.

Let me get this straight.
The physical realm our bodies exist in, these 4 dimensions of time\space, events, or phenomena if your prefer, have always had and will always need an external (at least to themselves) cause. Each cause in turn needs its own cause back through time to the birth of those 4 dimensions.

However, the void as you call it, because it is not part of our physical environment does not follow the same need for a 'physical' cause. The void contains, or encapsulates, or is part of the designer/God/uncaused cause that, if I read your's and BB's posts right, is responsible for or is the initial cause necessary in our physical space\time realm.

Is this correct?

Is this correct?

Sorta. But needs substantial tweaking to achieve clarity.

So do you want to help out with this clarifying "tweaking operation?"

There are always two sides to any good dialogue. Monologues tend to get boring. :^)

Thanks for writing, b_sharp!

Thank you for your reply!

However, the void as you call it, because it is not part of our physical environment does not follow the same need for a 'physical' cause. The void contains, or encapsulates, or is part of the designer/God/uncaused cause that, if I read your's and BB's posts right, is responsible for or is the initial cause necessary in our physical space\time realm.
Is this correct?

That is very close, but to be thorough I'll repeat here some of what I posted earlier:

One way to look at the issue is that all cosmologies - whether big bang, multiverse, multi-world, cyclic, ekpyrotic, imaginary time, hesitating, etc. - require geometry for physical causation. Time is geometric. It is a dimension. Were it not for space/time, events (including physical causation) would not be.

The measure of cosmic microwave background radiation in the 60's established that there was a real beginning of space/time in this universe. Prior big bang cosmologies deal with the geometry of expanding space/time which can have no past infinity thus the prior to prior big bang cosmologies must always regress to the void of "no thing".

In the void of the beginning there is no space, no time, no energy/matter, no physical laws, no physical constants, no mathematics, no logic, no universals, no forms, no autonomy, no qualia, no physical causation. There is no physical causation in the void - the first cause must be uncaused and the only candidate for uncaused cause is God.

Chaos theory applied to physical systems presumes pre-existence of physical causation and geometry. IOW, even origins of physical laws and constants cannot avoid the fact that without space/time, they could not be.

Symmetry (or order) cannot rise from the void (or chaos) without a guide to system. That the physical universe is intelligible at all is also evidence of a guide. Moreover, that the physical universe is unreasonably mathematical (Wigner, Vafa) is evidence of a guide.