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To: betty boop
[ It's a real struggle working through ideas like this, hosepipe. I am deeply interested in your thoughts regarding the matter. You mention a "spiritual dimension" -- which I imagine is effectively timeless -- being out of time in the sense of sequence, and well beyond the concept of time in the sense of context or field.... Your thoughts??? ]

Well... in my youth I consided things somewhat like you are doin here.. Deep considerations too.. then burn out, was enlivened, burn out again.. on like that.. I'm not saying I have finally arrived to anything like that..

The thought crossed my mind that to an eternal being time was not really that important, but timing is always important.. Time is very important to creatures that can DIE though.. and; WILL I live forever, "somewhere". Am I eternal like the bible says I am.. i.e. heaven, lake of fire.. Well if I am, I should start acting like that.. like I am eternal.. And if I am eternal what happens to "me" when my body dies.. What then, will be the physics and reality I live in then.. The bible dont say much about heaven or hell.. well some, but not much.. Thats a bit of the history that got me embracing this idea(s)..

Modern science progresses as if there is no such thing as a spirit.. When if there is such a thing.. God; your spirit, mine.. then thats what is all important.. More important than energy vs matter, gravity, space, time and any other continuum..

SO; I says, to myself.. Why not have it all.. all thats present in this dimension(continuum) and as much of the Spiritual Continuum (if there is one) as I can muster.. Greedy?, probably.. but the Spiritual Dimensional does make some sense.. Many things I have experienced that tell me there is a Spiritual Dimension as the wind shows me about Air.. As life shows me about dead things, as comedy teaches me about logic, as darkness instructs about light..

What IF; human life is a test.. a test to qualify for a far greater dominion, than dominion over the earth.. A test to qualify for certain humans to take dominion of the this Universe.. basically a spiritual test.. a test of spirits..

Anyway back to the subject.. In my life there are two intelligent lifeforms.. humans and spirits.. I am lobbying for a dimension for spirits as their natural and normal abode.. and that the 3rd dimension is not that.. but merely a test ground to limit the error they can commit.. So you see I am serious in these questions, very serious.. for there may be something I have overlooked.. You can also see that there are scant places where this could be even discussed..

505 posted on 12/08/2005 1:16:23 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: hosepipe
Modern science progresses as if there is no such thing as a spirit.. When if there is such a thing.. God; your spirit, mine.. then thats what is all important.. More important than energy vs matter, gravity, space, time and any other continuum..

I totally agree, hosepipe. But then, it seems to me the best thing science can do re: Spirit is just hold its silence; for it sure can't do anything more, given its method. Still we both know that there are some scientists -- the metaphysical naturalists or scientific materialists -- around these days who deny Spirit outright. But I think they're just whistling past the graveyard, in the dark, myself.

I think even as mortals we are already spirit, plus a body -- "psyche in soma." Bodies are subject to spacetime; spirit has a transcendent extension into a beyond that transcends the physical universe; that is, transcends the spatiotemporal order in which we apparently exist.

There is life, and there is existence. There is being and there is becoming. There is eternity and there is finitude; there is mortality and immortality. Man's experience unfolds in between both "sides" of the seeming duality....

You wrote: "The thought crossed my mind that to an eternal being time was not really that important, but timing is always important." What a lovely thought! Hopefully, our extension in timelessness, in eternity, is what will help us with our mortal "timing problems." We only have the "time of our existence" to get such matters right. And then we get to reap what we have sown....

Yours is a most fascinating speculation. I can't say it's wrong, dear hosepipe. And I'll be thinking it over some more!

520 posted on 12/08/2005 1:57:19 PM PST by betty boop (Dominus illuminatio mea.)
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