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To: mosquitobite
Just two questions SD:

1)what is the incentive to work hard if you know you're possibly going to give half of what you work for away?

Incorrect underlying assumption here. You are operating under the assumption that the tip belongs to the waitress alone when it is clearly the rules of her workplace that it does not.

Why is this difficult to understand?

Let me ask you. What is the motivation for the busstaff to work hard and bust their butts for minimum wage while the waitress takes away free cash money every night? Don't employees work better when motivated? Isn't that the idea behind gratuities? Why should this only apply to the waitress and not the rest of the service team?

Granted, it is traditional, but traditions can change.

2)I guess you're also against "tax cuts" for the rich? ;)

I won't even bother to ask how this is supposed to relate.

SD

207 posted on 12/07/2005 6:45:06 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave; BlueStateDepression
No YOU don't understand. What types of people take the job of bus boy/dishwasher? That's right - uneducated or inexperienced workers (you can add illegals in to that mix now too). The positions are not a "career". Most will aspire to do something else with their lives.

Let me ask you. What is the motivation for the busstaff to work hard and bust their butts for minimum wage while the waitress takes away free cash money every night? Don't employees work better when motivated? Isn't that the idea behind gratuities? Why should this only apply to the waitress and not the rest of the service team?

The motivation can still be tips! That's the point! If they work hard, the restaurant should stress to the servers that tips will make the busboys your friends- your tables will be cleaner sooner - thus more customers - more tips. But it shouldn't be "required". What is the incentive for the busboy to get to your table quick if they know they're going to get tips if they do or don't? It should be up to the server - PERIOD - NOT THE MANAGEMENT! They're the ones the customer tipped!

My God man, you are a socialist!

209 posted on 12/07/2005 7:35:26 AM PST by mosquitobite (As the Iraqis stand up, we will stand down.)
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To: SoothingDave

There can be no rules of the workplace on who a tip belongs to. It belongs to who ever the customer chooses to give it to. The reason your theory cannot be understood is because it doesn't make sense. Tips are not the business's property that the business should determine who the customer's tip belongs to.

While an understanding that tips should belong to the waiter, or the individual to whom it's presented, still alows you your constitutional right to give tips to other workers, an understanding that tips should belong to everyone working in a business denies customers of their constitutional right to choose for themselves who their tip should belong to.

You see if this employer required tip pooling business practice was viewed correctly as a crime instead of simply a legal business practice, then the public would be able to tip whomever they wished. When employer required tip pooling is viewed errantly as a legal business practice, the public is denied their right to determine for themselves who should receive their tip.

A customer can go into a restaurant and personally esplain to the employer that his tip is intended for the waiter and yet if employer required tip pooling has been allowed in that state the business can still take it away from the waiter regardless of the customer's wishes.

A customer should be able to go into a restaurant and give his tip to who ever he wishes whether it be to one employee or all the employees. The employer should have no say in who, if anyone, should receive the customer's tip. This is the customer's constitutional right. It's called liberty. Businesses who mandate that tips must be pooled are depriving the public of their constitutional right to determine for themselves who should receive their tip and at the same time are depriving their employee's of their property, their tip. Read the 14th or the 5th amendment of our constitution. No person shall be deprived of their life, life liberty or property without due process of law. Business practices are not due process of law. They are in most cases arbitrary actions taken by an individual for his own personal gain.


233 posted on 01/01/2006 10:46:27 AM PST by George14
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To: SoothingDave

There can be no rules of the workplace on who a tip belongs to. It belongs to who ever the customer chooses to give it to. The reason your theory cannot be understood is because it doesn't make sense. Tips are not the business's property that the business should determine who the customer's tip belongs to.

While an understanding that tips should belong to the waiter, or the individual to whom it's presented, still alows you your constitutional right to give tips to other workers, an understanding that tips should belong to everyone working in a business denies customers of their constitutional right to choose for themselves who their tip should belong to.

You see if this employer required tip pooling business practice was viewed correctly as a crime instead of simply a legal business practice, then the public would be able to tip whomever they wished. When employer required tip pooling is viewed errantly as a legal business practice, the public is denied their right to determine for themselves who should receive their tip.

A customer can go into a restaurant and personally esplain to the employer that his tip is intended for the waiter and yet if employer required tip pooling has been allowed in that state the business can still take it away from the waiter regardless of the customer's wishes.

A customer should be able to go into a restaurant and give his tip to who ever he wishes whether it be to one employee or all the employees. The employer should have no say in who, if anyone, should receive the customer's tip. This is the customer's constitutional right. It's called liberty. Businesses who mandate that tips must be pooled are depriving the public of their constitutional right to determine for themselves who should receive their tip and at the same time are depriving their employee's of their property, their tip. Read the 14th or the 5th amendment of our constitution. No person shall be deprived of their life, life liberty or property without due process of law. Business practices are not due process of law. They are in most cases arbitrary actions taken by an individual for his own personal gain.


234 posted on 01/01/2006 10:46:50 AM PST by George14
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