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To: BlueStateDepression
It is questionable in and of itself to follow the law without question when there are legitmate questions that need to be answered.

Huh? Nevermind, don't explain. I get your point. It makes you angry that waitresses have to share tips. I get it. Why don't you agree to meet the waitresses later and give her the tip then, or get her address and mail it to her?

Otherwise, you are tipping and that is covered by laws and by workplace rules. Sorry. Why not open your own reataurant if you don't like it?

"Most people don't really care."

I guess you really DO believe that nonsense don't you! WOW!

Yes, I do. If I leave a tip and part of it goes to the busboy, I am not out anything. I have not been deceived. If all of the waitresses working the room pool their tips together and help each other out instead of playing "not my table" when I need a refill, how am I damaged?

I am paying extra for the dining experience to be pleasant, and there are many facotrs in that, not just the cutie who talks me up and delivers the plate.

The position you take is that someone else ,outside my own knowledge, should be able to TAKE that from them and decide HOW MUCH of it they get to keep. That is, in effect, someone else taking MY money and distributing it as THEY see fit. That removes MY RIGHT to distribute MY MONEY the way I SEE FIT. Employers have the right to divy up funds from the meal I pay for as they see fit. The tip is MINE to do that with NOT theirs. Do you understand the difference?

Once you give the money away, it is not yours. It belongs to the waitress. But she is bound by law and by workplace rules. She is free to solicit tips elsewhere, but as an employee she must abide by the workplace rules. Do you understand that? Hell, Uncle Sam takes part of it as well, doesn't that just tan your hide?

SD

186 posted on 12/06/2005 2:49:00 PM PST by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave

No you don't get it. What pisses me off is that I am lead to falsely believe that when i give a waitress a tip she gets to keep it. In a tip share environment that is NOT the case. Like I said, IF this is such a moral and proper procedure then why isn;t it touted with a sign saying that is the procedure? You have not yet addressed that point have you?

Yes you have been deceived when a tip goes other than where you put it. To say I have not been, is to ignore the reality that I have not been told in any way that the money I give to a waitress is not hers to keep. That is precisely why there are never any signs now ISN'T it!

You wanna take the poisition that once my money is gone I have no say then you are against the very idea of holding congress accountable for tax dollars taken! Same principle applies here dude!

Here is a tip for ya, this policy HURTS the tipping process. I refuse to TIP AT ALL due to this and I would offer to that the more people find out about this the more will join me. Hence (again) why we see NO SIGNS of this practice put out by any that use it. GOT AN EXAMPLE of someone that does yet? NOPE didn't think so.

Uncle sam indeed takes part of it and I already understand that, it is known to all what income taxes are.....can you say the same ting about tip share schemes? NOPE, you sure cannot...and that my friend proves my point.


192 posted on 12/06/2005 3:03:15 PM PST by BlueStateDepression
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To: SoothingDave; BlueStateDepression
Just two questions SD:
1)what is the incentive to work hard if you know you're possibly going to give half of what you work for away?
2)I guess you're also against "tax cuts" for the rich? ;)
196 posted on 12/06/2005 4:53:44 PM PST by mosquitobite (As the Iraqis stand up, we will stand down.)
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To: SoothingDave

The businesses must also abide by rules and laws. The Fair Labor Standards Act states that the law forbids any arrangement between the employer and the tipped employee whereby any part of the tip received becomes the property of the employer. A tip is the sole property of the tipped employee. It is against the law to steal another's property. Employers who intimidate or force their employees into sharing their tips with other workers are stealing their employees tips by forcing them to give part of what is legally their property to others. There is no debate on this issue. It's against the law. You cannot force someone to give over there property to another without committing theft. Please get this staight. Employer required tip pooling is not simply a business practice that employees should adhere to. It is a crime that employees are suffering from everyday as the public and our government sits back doing nothing to stop it. Most people don't even know it's going on. Employees are afraid to speak out and the media refuses to print anything suggesting that our business owners are blatantly stealing the customer's tips for themselves and breaking the law.


230 posted on 12/27/2005 10:48:02 AM PST by George14
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To: SoothingDave

The argument that most people do not care who gets their tip is simply a lie geared at condoning the fact that businesses should be allowed to steal their employee's tips and deprive customers of their right to determine who should receive their tip. Even if some people don't care who gets their tip, the point is, people have a constitutional right to determine how their money is spent and whom their money will be spent on. Employer mandated tip pooling is a violation of our constitutional liberty to determine for ourselves how and who our money is spent on.

The so called "business practice" of employer required tip pooling is nothing more than stealing irredardless of whether some want to believe it is a business practice that has naturally developed over time. It is instead an unnatural, criminal and unconstitutional scam which has been allowed to exist and flourish through blatant corruption in our judicial system and both state and federal labor agencies.


303 posted on 02/06/2006 10:48:23 AM PST by George14
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