This thread is ridiculous. How is it "questionable" to follow the law?
Most people have NO IDEA what a tip share is and have NO CLUE that the one they gave money to is about to give up 3/4 of it.
Most people don't really care. Unless they are trying to hit on the hot waitress. If the servers and busboys don't like the situation, I suppose they can find work elsewhere, can't they? And if the quality of worker left to work for low wage plus tips is so poor that the business suffers quality problems, I imagine the situation will change.
It's all about service. If the business can't deliver, it will fail.
Worrying about tips is not going to affect anything.
When more people DO know this they will tip less and your business will see less tips and then you will see less people willing to work at that business that are worth their salt.
Exactly. If the system doesn't work, it will correct itself. Isn't capitalism grand? If the quality of service decreases, tips will go down, resulting in worse employees, lowering the service, etc. If the employees do a good job, then all benefit.
What bothers me is this attitude that "these people are being 'screwed' by having to share tips, so I'm not going to tip them." I don't think most people think that way.
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It is questionable in and of itself to follow the law without question when there are legitmate questions that need to be answered. Making it 100% evident to people leaving tips how that money is doled out SHOULD be part of that law. Otherwise it is SHADY. Why be shady if it is so proper? Why not put out a sign alerting customers if it is so proper? Hmmmmmmm?
"Most people don't really care."
I guess you really DO believe that nonsense don't you! WOW!
The only reason tip share has gone on as long as it has is because people like you that ASSUME people won't care have done this underhanded in such a way that the people tipping do not understand that the tips do not always go to the person they gave it to. Hence no signs of this practice to the people doing the tipping!!!
If you are so confident then by all means put out a sign and let everyone that is tipping know EXACTLY where their tips are going. Why do we not see that again???
If I want someone to have a 20 dollar bill at Christmastime, the person I GIVE IT TO should HAVE IT.
The position you take is that someone else ,outside my own knowledge, should be able to TAKE that from them and decide HOW MUCH of it they get to keep. That is, in effect, someone else taking MY money and distributing it as THEY see fit. That removes MY RIGHT to distribute MY MONEY the way I SEE FIT. Employers have the right to divy up funds from the meal I pay for as they see fit. The tip is MINE to do that with NOT theirs. Do you understand the difference?
SoothingDave wrote:
What bothers me is this attitude that "these people are being 'screwed' by having to share tips, so I'm not going to tip them." I don't think most people think that way.
What you are failing to realize is that we cannot share tips without our employer taking advatage of our good will. Our employers force us to give tips to other workers whom customers could have tipped but didn't, then because these other workers are receiveing tips from us, our employer pays these other workers lower wages just like they're paying us lower wages. You see, our sharing tips with other workers is not benefitting the other workers as much as it is saving our employer money on wages. Business want us to share our tips with their non-tipped workers so they won't have to pay them. If we do the nice thing and share our tips with our fellow employees the employer just pays them less. Why shouldn't employers be nicer and pay these other workers a little more so we do not have to share our tips with them? Don't put this all off on the waiters or employees who actually receive tips from customers. This is our job. What customers give us should be ours. If customers want others to share in their tip then they have every rights and ability to make their intentions clear either verbally, in writing or by their actions in presenting tips to those whom they wish receive a tip.