Posted on 12/06/2005 12:33:26 PM PST by George14
We do not have a customary system that has evolved, we have criminal business practices that have prevailed over the will of the people because our politicians and judges think they can take bribes and get away with it. Our laws contradict every one of these business practices you falsely claim have naturally evolved. Our laws state that tips are the sole property of the tipped employee and yet business owners are going so far as to solicit tips with tip jars because they know they can unjustly finacially benefit themselves to the money placed into these jars.
It's only working out OK for the business owners of this country. The public is being fleeced more and more for tips so business owners can get richer. It's fraud and you say it's ok. Our laws state clearly that the law forbids any arrangement betweent the employer and the tipped employee whereby any part of the tip becomes the property of the employer and yet employers are getting rich off their employee's tips. I don't know what's natural about businesses getting rich because the public gives their employee's additional income. The workers are making less every year and the public is tipping more every year. Seems to me a bit unatural.
Employees paid to scale with optional tip income would be quite pleasant for a change and pretty natural to me. Isn't that the nature of a tip. To reward outstanding service above and beyond what the employer is paying his employee?
It's not woking out ok for workers or the public. The public is being expected to tip more to make up for the tips the employer is stealing from his employees and the workers are making less because the employer is stealing many of the finacial benefits of the tips the public presents. I guess you own a restaurant since you think it's working out ok, for everyone else is suffering.
Fancy-shmancy restaurants of the type that I avoid.
20 percent or better here-- with the very rare exception, demonstrated the other month when I had to wait half an hour for some teenager to decide to come over to the table so I could freakin' order coffee, let alone anything else. That kid is lucky I left her anything at all.
The place was not that busy, btw.
I see you walking out of that screwy set-up the second the guy put the stack of cash there.
I'd never call you either of those things. Worse, maybe, but never a broad...lol.
The tip is automatically included for large tables, so it was on the ticket our head guy received and paid. The waitress had the nerve to act upset that he didn't tip her, and demanded cash on the spot. Dumbest thing I ever saw.
I see a problem with it. When I pay my bill, I already pay the restaurant an overpriced amount for the food, so the owner has been well-compensated. When I give a tip, I do it to thank the service person who helped me, and most certainly could use the money....not to make the owner of the restaurant more wealthy. I never put money in a jar on a countertop (like at Starbucks or somewhere similar) because I don't know to whom that money will go, and I suspect the owner will keep it all.
Yeah that has always bugged me. The only times I will put $ into such a container is, loose pennies at a place like Starbucks, or if the establishment is obviously a small mom-n-pop type deal.
Europeans don't tip.
Whoa buddy. Now, that is just puerile.
Hope he didn't give it to her.
What's the point of tipping a casino dealer anyway? Unlike in a restaurant, there's nothing a casino dealer can do for me above and beyond what he's paid to do ordinarily that isn't illegal.
Just because they call it "bribing" rather than "tipping" doesn't mean it doesn't happen there.
No, he sure did not. We did have another round of drinks at the bar with Luis Gonzales and laugh at her audacity, though....
It goes unnoticed by the customer, you see, because the customer is paying the waiter the wages that keeps the waiter happy and the customer is desensitized because the custom has been conditioned into the culture through implication of necessity and presumption of decorum.
The customer doesn't care about the formulas. The customer cares only about the overall price paid and value received. If a customer is really getting screwed, he/she will go to a place that offers better value. Simple as that.
You apparently are proceeding from the asusmption that there is some overall "just" or "fair" price. No such thing exists. The correct price is what customers are willing to pay in a competitive market, which the restaurant business certainly is.
You think the customer would be better off if there was no tipping, and the owners were forced to charge higher baseline prices to accommodate the standard minimum wage and to attract staff?
Re: your comment in post #267 --
Your are about the 200th person to tell me that Europeans don't tip.
Thanks.
Yeah, but I didn't find that out until I read the rest of the thread :). If we had to read the whole thread before posting, this joint wouldn't be any fun at all.
Well, we all live and learn. And I have learned that Europeans don't tip. Who said Freeping was a waste of time?
Yeah...but...but where do you tuck the ten spot? ;-)
Tip is an acronym standing for "to insure promptness."
Consider it a tip.
Linguistic legend. There's no evidence that that is true . . . and bear in mind, the more plausible an origin story sounds,the greater the odds that it's made up.
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