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Old name stirs dispute - - 'Aztlan' a symbol of pride, not takeover (Colorado)
rockymountainnews ^ | December 6, 2005 | Fernando Quintero, Rocky Mountain News

Posted on 12/06/2005 9:59:38 AM PST by dennisw

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1 posted on 12/06/2005 9:59:38 AM PST by dennisw
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2 posted on 12/06/2005 10:07:17 AM PST by gubamyster
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Mexico City and they're welcome to it.


3 posted on 12/06/2005 10:08:12 AM PST by bigsigh
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However any use of Indian terminology for the names or mascots of sports teams is definitely an act of oppression and not one of pride.


4 posted on 12/06/2005 10:11:54 AM PST by ZGuy
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So if the Mexicans in the SouthWest break away, will Nancy Pelosi lose her seat in Congress? Watch for lefties to change their tune on immigration in the near future.


5 posted on 12/06/2005 10:14:08 AM PST by Tzimisce
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So if the Mexicans in the SouthWest break away, will Nancy Pelosi lose her seat in Congress? Watch for lefties to change their tune on immigration in the near future.

There would be a bunch of Indian tribes in the SW thatb would have something to say about any Mexican "breakaway"


6 posted on 12/06/2005 10:17:05 AM PST by kaktuskid
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To: dennisw

The Aztecs lived in CENTRAL MEXICO - not the SW


7 posted on 12/06/2005 10:17:52 AM PST by kaktuskid
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"Demographically, socially, and culturally, the reconquista (re-conquest) of the southwest United States is well under way," said Yeh Ling-Ling

I see irony in that sentence!

8 posted on 12/06/2005 10:25:41 AM PST by TexasRepublic (BALLISTIC CATHARSIS: perforating uncooperative objects with chunks of lead)
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"...in Chicano folklore..."

isn't that something like Ward Churchill's resume?
9 posted on 12/06/2005 10:26:41 AM PST by frankenMonkey (Name one civil liberty that was not paid for in blood)
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Yeah, and in '58 we were told Castro and his boys were 'simple agrarian reformers'.

I think we're too smart to fall for this neo-Marxian disinformation.

Quite a few of the early Mechistas were evil spawn of Saul Alinskey.

Go ahead Aztlanians, try to lull us asleep with this unmitigated crap.


10 posted on 12/06/2005 10:29:02 AM PST by x1stcav (Murtha is a surrender monkey)
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A little español for you Dennis.

MECHA= FUSE

As in "light the fuse." I have seen MECHA literature urging "La Reconquista" of Aztlan, one baby at a time. One House at a time. One street at a time. One Town at a time. One State at a time, until Aztlan, which is Northern Occupied Mexico, is reunited with Mexico

11 posted on 12/06/2005 10:30:16 AM PST by Kenny Bunk ( Valerie Plame worked under the covers, but was not undercover.)
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To: kaktuskid

Aztec mythology claims that their people originated "in the north" and migrated southwards when changing weather and enemies forced them to find a new homeland. This claim is actually supported by archaeology, and indicates that they moved out of northwestern Mexico to south-central Mexico just over a thousand years ago. When they got there, they ran into the more civilized descendants of the Toltec culture, adopted their technologies, and eventually built the Aztec nations that we're more familiar with.

Aztlan was likely a real place, though it's unlikely that it was in the US. Even if it did, they were a primitive tribal people at that time (like many of the desert indian tribes that the American settlers encountered) so their paradise was a bit more primitive than some of them like to admit.


12 posted on 12/06/2005 10:34:00 AM PST by Arthalion
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"The Aztecs lived in CENTRAL MEXICO - not the SW"

Doesn't matter. If they are culturally powerful enough in this country to tell us to STFU then they win. It's hard for Western Culture to prevail when our leaders betray us and our population has been subjected to forty years of propaganda telling us how we're a bunch of miserable sh*ts and OWE the third world everything we have. This will wind up in a shooting war.


13 posted on 12/06/2005 10:34:52 AM PST by dljordan
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Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Support our Minutemen Patriots!

Be Ever Vigilant ~ Bump!


14 posted on 12/06/2005 10:35:48 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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The Aztecs lived in CENTRAL MEXICO - not the SW

But I think in Aztec mythology the Aztecs originated near Colorado and migrated to the area of today's Mexico City. Where the Aztec empire was established

By the 13th century the entire region, then called the Valley of Anahuac, was occupied by assorted rival city-states. Among the last to arrive on the scene was the nomadic tribe of the Mexica (pronounced may-SHEE-ka), more commonly known as the Aztecs, who ended a long migration from their northern homeland, Aztlan, by settling in the Valley marshlands.

The Aztecs considered themselves the chosen people of the sun and war god Huitzilopochtli. After coming upon an eagle perched on a cactus devouring a snake, a sign foretold in ancient tribal prophecy, the Aztecs founded Tenochtitlan, their capital, on an island in Lake Texcoco. They sustained themselves there for half a century by acting as mercenaries for the mighty Tepanecs of Azcapotzalco, but eventually rose up against their rulers, effectively seizing power over the valley.


15 posted on 12/06/2005 10:37:45 AM PST by dennisw (You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
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To: dljordan

And mexico will be crushed once again if that happened.


16 posted on 12/06/2005 10:41:59 AM PST by MARKUSPRIME
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The number of Mexicans living in what is now the United States BEFORE the US-Mexico war in 1846 was miniscule.

For example, by 1835 when Texas became independent, there were thousands more Americans in Texas than the Hispanics who originally tried to colonize the territory according to an official Mexican census.

The Mexicans' claim to have inheirited the US territory from Spain which simply claimed virtually everything on the continent because of their early explorations doesn't hold up too well when you add up the numbers.


17 posted on 12/06/2005 10:54:21 AM PST by wildbill
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"But those speaking out against Aztlan are the ones who have misinterpreted history and distorted the meaning of the term, say Chicano activists and academics"

Oh I wish I still had the link I used to have to an Aztlan take over America group website. That site leaves NO doubt about their goal of capturing much of our west and calling it Aztlan. They even have a map of their "Aztlan country" they wish to form out of the western United States.

I also found out that they go after anyone who speaks out against them or their web site. That they are infiltrating our colleges with groups for what ever reason I do not know.

One of their leaders from that web site used to write propaganda against the United States and post it on Arab web sites to incite them against America. I ran a search on his writings and this person was VERY anti-Semitic. Telling them that UPC codes and something on our kitchen products proved that we were working with the Jews and that that's why they should hate us and kill us. It was crazy!

I also learned that the FBI has been watching this group for years. And they've even found flyer's from this group out in California after some of their meetings that promote violence and the take over of our western states.

18 posted on 12/06/2005 11:08:34 AM PST by GloriaJane (http://music.download.com/gloriajane "Merry Christmas To Our Troops In Iraq (My Hero's)")
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To: dennisw
Nahuatl, the language of the Mexica, is a language of the Uto-Aztec language family, other members of which are in the SW United States (Ute, etc.). That suggests that the ancestors of the Aztecs did come from what is now the US.

The Aztlan movement fosters pride and enthusiasm among its members with pseudo-history and racism, just like other fascist movements of the 20th century.

19 posted on 12/06/2005 11:11:41 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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"And mexico will be crushed once again if that happened."

Crush your enemies,
drive them before you,
and hear the lamnetations of their women.


20 posted on 12/06/2005 11:15:44 AM PST by dljordan
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