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To: judgeandjury; All

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To save Social Security, there must be a procedure put into place to convert these people into tax paying residents.

Or we could simply replace him with a legal immigrant worker, and then the legal immigrant worker would be paying into Social Security.
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Absolutely. And why can't that legal immigrant worker be him? He already knows the job. Who are the anonymous legal immigrants waiting at the border who already knows that job?

Look, people, this is not about hyperbole like "Invading our Country" or about "Turning the Country over to Mexico". It's about the reality that most western countries have a very very low population growth rate and that is devastating many different demographic based programs -- the most prominent being Social Security.

Get this deeply embedded in your heads. There Will Be No Pensions From Social Security For Anyone If We Either Do Not Find More Working Age People Or Raise Taxes. There is no other alternative. Cutting benefits will never happen because old folks vote in higher density than other age groups.

If you advocate deporting working age people you are advocating tax increases. There is no way around this.

These people are here illegally. You have to provide a path for them to become legal. They did something illegal? Then make part of the process paying a fine. Make them jump through whatever hoops you like to become legal, but you cannot advocate deportation of working age people and also claim to be against tax increases for Social Security. Deportation is equal to a Social Security tax increase.


96 posted on 12/06/2005 12:37:04 PM PST by Owen
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To: Owen
If you advocate deporting working age people you are advocating tax increases. There is no way around this.

I'm all for LEGAL IMMIGRATION, not ILLEGAL ALIENS who DON'T PAY TAXES but DRAIN our system!

98 posted on 12/06/2005 12:53:29 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Owen

...These people are here illegally. You have to provide a path for them to become legal...

So if I steal your car, you will have to find the way for me to legally keep it.


101 posted on 12/06/2005 1:15:08 PM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (“Don't let anyone tell you we can't control our borders,”)
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To: Owen
Get this deeply embedded in your heads. There Will Be No Pensions From Social Security For Anyone If We Either Do Not Find More Working Age People Or Raise Taxes. There is no other alternative. Cutting benefits will never happen because old folks vote in higher density than other age groups.

3rd world immigrants including Mexicans and all those illegal aliens will never help Social Security they way you think. In fact they are welfare users right now. Many or most are tax cheats and pay in minimal amounts

If you advocate deporting working age people you are advocating tax increases. There is no way around this.

Get real. Sanctions and fines for those who employ illegal aliens and the problem will solve itself. Illegal aliens will self deport

These people are here illegally. You have to provide a path for them to become legal. They did something illegal? 

Send 'em packing

Then make part of the process paying a fine. Make them jump through whatever hoops you like to become legal, but you cannot advocate deportation of working age people and also claim to be against tax increases for Social Security. Deportation is equal to a Social Security tax increase.

Sure you can. They will never bail out Social Security. Same as the Muslim rioters in France will never bail out the French social welfare system

111 posted on 12/06/2005 4:02:06 PM PST by dennisw (You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
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To: Owen

Ah, one more rationalization from the OBL crowd. A Chris Cannon supporter by any chance? How's his former chief of staff doing? Staying out of prison so far?


112 posted on 12/06/2005 4:02:15 PM PST by Pelham
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To: Owen
Get this deeply embedded in your heads. There Will Be No Pensions From Social Security For Anyone If We Either Do Not Find More Working Age People Or Raise Taxes. There is no other alternative. Cutting benefits will never happen because old folks vote in higher density than other age groups.

3rd world immigrants including Mexicans and all those illegal aliens will never help Social Security they way you think. In fact they are welfare users right now. Many or most are tax cheats and pay in minimal amounts

If you advocate deporting working age people you are advocating tax increases. There is no way around this.

Get real. Sanctions and fines for those who employ illegal aliens and the problem will solve itself. Illegal aliens will self deport

These people are here illegally. You have to provide a path for them to become legal. They did something illegal? 

Send 'em packing

Then make part of the process paying a fine. Make them jump through whatever hoops you like to become legal, but you cannot advocate deportation of working age people and also claim to be against tax increases for Social Security. Deportation is equal to a Social Security tax increase.

Sure you can. They will never bail out Social Security. Same as the Muslim rioters in France will never bail out the French social welfare system

114 posted on 12/06/2005 4:32:53 PM PST by dennisw (You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
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To: Owen
"Get this deeply embedded in your heads. There Will Be No Pensions From Social Security For Anyone If We Either Do Not Find More Working Age People Or Raise Taxes. There is no other alternative. Cutting benefits will never happen because old folks vote in higher density than other age groups.

Do you not see this ponzi scheme is doomed to fail at some point? Attempting to shore it up with imported low wage participants is insane.

120 posted on 12/06/2005 5:56:54 PM PST by moehoward
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To: Owen; All
Get this deeply embedded in your heads. There Will Be No Pensions From Social Security For Anyone If We Either Do Not Find More Working Age People Or Raise Taxes. There is no other alternative. Deportation is equal to a Social Security tax increase.

I'm pretty sure that I and others have explained this to you before, but you keep singing that same sad tune. Bush has signed a Totalization agreement with Mexico to give ILLEGAL aliens full SS benefits with 1/6th the time needed to work that a US citizen needs. It will apply to their entire family in MEXICO. "Guest workers", legal entrants also receive benefits. They will ALL get old or "disabled". These "immigrants" will never pay as much into SS as they will take. Many already get SSI. This will destroy what little life there is left in the SS system.

Please, get this deeply embedded in your head, stop peeing down our leg and tell us it's raining. Thanks.

125 posted on 12/06/2005 7:10:52 PM PST by WatchingInAmazement ("Nothing is more expensive than cheap labor," prof. Vernon Briggs, labor economist Cornell Un.)
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