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To: moehoward

No I think there's a misunderstanding. The question was where are there government statistics on the number of illegal aliens working with stolen SS numbers? The relevant part of the quote is :

>A large percentage of the 15 million+/- Illegals are employed with false/stolen SS#'s. This money has been going into the the SS system for decades without anyone stepping forward to file claims against it. Despite these millions(?) of unclaimed dollars
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Is there a specific source for "large percentage" claim? If so what was the specific percentage? Given my explanation below, the higher the better.

This money you describe going into the system would go in under a number attached to a name and that is . . . who? Is the person whose social security number has been allegedly stolen dead? If so, this is indeed a marvelous contribution by whoever is paying that tax. Why would you want this to stop? These taxes would be paid in and no benefit ever collected. It's a huge plus to the system.

Also, do you have a source for this scenario of alleged stolen Social Security numbers?

BTW, it occurs to me that if an illegal is working under a stolen Social Security number, then the employer is contributing 6% and withholding an additional 6% of pay for a total of 12% of pay sent in to the Social Security Administration. If an employer knows the number is bogus, why would he want to cost himself that extra 12% sent to the government? So the presumption is the employer doesn't know the number is stolen. If not, then the SS system does indeed get a full 12% of pay influx for which benefits will never be claimed. This is a very positive thing for the SS system. Why would you want to stop it?

I think maybe you will feel more comfortable with this scenario you have described if you get some firm government statistics to quote on the number of workers working using stolen social security numbers and . . . how much that is benefiting the system. Or more likely, that none of this is happening.


144 posted on 12/07/2005 11:55:49 AM PST by Owen
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To: Owen
As I say, search it out for yourself, it's all there for those that WANT to see.
This from the first page of the search I suggested:

"Here's the drill: People enter the country illegally, promptly procure bogus Social Security cards from the black market, and use them to get jobs. Eventually they get paid, and those earnings generate W-2s that go to the Social Security Administration, which tucks them away in something called the "earnings suspense file." (The government does try to notify some of the larger employers that Social Security cards they've accepted appear to be phony, but that's about the extent of its efforts to figure out where all this money is coming from.) According to the best estimates of the Social Security Administration, the fund has kept track over the last 20 years of more than $300 billion in total earnings – the vast majority of them attributable to illegal immigrants."

Do you not see that this proves your solution a failed one?

"These taxes would be paid in and no benefit ever collected. It's a huge plus to the system."

Are you now suggesting we tax guest workers and deny them access to benefits?

146 posted on 12/07/2005 12:49:26 PM PST by moehoward
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