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To: judgeandjury

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If an amnesty is given to the millions of illegal aliens currently in the United States, our federal government will have forgiven the fact that these illegal aliens entered the country illegally by not enforcing the laws against them that mandate that they should be deported for having violated our immigration laws. Just because these illegal aliens might be required to pay a fee (or a fine, if you please) doesn't mean that these illegal aliens didn't receive an amnesty for having violated our laws.
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Why is this called amnesty? Clearly it is, rather, punishment and parole. They are punished for their crime, they pay their debt to society and they then are documented and fund your parents' Social Security. What can possibly be bad about this?

This proposal I'm making is a punishment and parole program. They violated the law. They are punished properly as is any other lawbreaker. They then toe the line and fund Social Security. Get It Through Your Heads. There is No Other Source Of Working Age Adults Available. Period and Full Stop. If you advocate deportation of working age people, you are an advocate of Social Security tax increases.

All these other statistics about tax burden flying around are not talking about working age men. They are talking about women with children who happen to be US citizens. Yeah, those single mothers are probably a tax burden, as all single mothers without jobs are. There's nothing different about them other than that their kids are citizens and they are not.

This proposal is about funding Social Security and it is about the men, or single non mother women. It is they who it makes no sense economically to deport.


133 posted on 12/06/2005 9:29:23 PM PST by Owen
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To: Owen

OWEN's response is such absolute common sense, its unimpeachable. The immigration issue has nothing to do with politics, per se, its all about simple common sense.

We are presently allowing a level of Mass Immigration that is unprecedented in human history. There is a very obvious reason why no other nation has ever allowed this. We are going to find out that reason.

WATCHING IN AMAZEMENT is such a hopeless dunce, he doesn't even deserve a response. These immigrants flooding into our country are not going to "save Social Security." What total madness. If these people are such an asset to our economy, then why are they fleeing their OWN economically ruined countries to attach themselves like parasites to our country in the first place? Mass Immigration quite simply is going to bankrupt our country. All you have to look at is the incredibly high standard of living we enjoyed in America just 40 years ago. Before the Mass Immigration started. And its been downhill ever since. Its total madness I tell you. How stupid are these people? They're beyond reasoning with or debating with. Their insane.


134 posted on 12/06/2005 9:56:19 PM PST by Ace Backwords
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To: Owen
Why is this called amnesty? Clearly it is, rather, punishment and parole. They are punished for their crime, they pay their debt to society and they then are documented and fund your parents' Social Security. What can possibly be bad about this?

Legal immigrants can also fund Social Security. If we need more foreign workers, we can let in more legal immigrants. We don't need illegal aliens in the United States for any reason.

This proposal I'm making is a punishment and parole program. They violated the law. They are punished properly as is any other lawbreaker. They then toe the line and fund Social Security. Get It Through Your Heads. There is No Other Source Of Working Age Adults Available. Period and Full Stop. If you advocate deportation of working age people, you are an advocate of Social Security tax increases.

I want to replace illegal alien lawbreakers with legal immigrants who haven't violated our immigration laws. By doing this, Social Security will continue to be funded and Social Security taxes will not need to be increased.

This proposal is about funding Social Security and it is about the men, or single non mother women. It is they who it makes no sense economically to deport.

If we deport illegal aliens and replace them with legal immigrants, we will keep the American economy going strong.

135 posted on 12/06/2005 10:07:37 PM PST by judgeandjury
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To: Owen

You obviously have ZERO experience or knowledge of how the real world works. They are here illegally to work for cash under the table to send home with paying taxes on the same. The employers benefit by not having to pay increased insurance costs and FICA taxes, etc etc. Its sort of a conspiracy against the taxpaying slobs like the rest of us.

The minute this shamnesty goes through, there will be millions of more illegals flooding in here to work for lower wages and cash to send home all while we have the millions of low skilled laborers already here.

If you did what these people are doing every day you would be in jail. Try telling your employer, that is if you are employed, that you do not want any money taken out for taxes and only want cash. See what you are told.

You are naive and foolish if you think this is not going to change our country in a profoundly negative way. As far as SS is involved, how the heck are these people going to save a program that they will be one day sucking dry to the bone? They are not going home after 6 years, or do you believe that because King George decreeed it so????


136 posted on 12/07/2005 5:50:14 AM PST by chris1
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