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To: pigdog

"So you're quite wrong about all FairTax swupporters being universally in lockstep."

then why the attacks

"However when you clearly misstate things as you have done on this thread you will certainly be receiving comments to the contrary. Perhaps you cant't take that."

point me to where i've contraticted myself? or where i haven't gone indepth to try and explain what you call "clearly misstate things"?

i'm really trying to understand. i'm going to defend my opinion, and i believe i've done so w/o labeling, name calling, or attacking. i hold certain beliefs as to what "sales tax" means to people, to how hidden taxes should not be display as being removed from income when comparing systems, to whether or not prebate is a conservative or liberal mechanism, etc., etc. my opinions are considered misstatements.

i give up, concede. you win. i must be against fair taxation.


368 posted on 12/07/2005 3:12:35 PM PST by kpp_kpp (adamantly opposed to fairtax religious fanatics)
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To: kpp_kpp

You ask "...then why the attacks ..."? Firstly they aren't really attacks at all but attempts to not let you continually misstate things as you have done on this thread. You should review your own posts on this thread to see the "odd" statements you're put forth that are merely inviting responses - and assuming that was your intennt, that is what you received.

For example, in #11 you (presumably) do not know what hidden taxes are (when in later posts it is apparent that indeed you DO know what they are).

In #12, you propose apportionment as a tax system that would be preferable to a sales tax. This despite the fact that apportionment of that sort has never worked well or for very long and is one of the reasons we got our very first income tax as a "benefit". You also make the claim that would make the 17th amendment disappear when clearly there is no connection of it with apportionment of taxes.

When the fallacies of these two posts was pointed out, you attempted, in #52, to alter the meanings of what you posted by changing what you in fact posted. These are bad signs very early on and indicate a willingness to twist meanings from what clearly was said (i.e., to lie) and are often the hallmarks of FairTax opponents. In that very post you misstate the basis of the FairTax - another danger sign. Presumably for someone who later claimed such affinity for the FairTax (and a good amount of knowledge about it) these are very worrisome indeed.

Next, in #54, you launch into the FairTax being anti-large-family which is the exact opposite of the truth. More worrisone babbling from someone claiming "knowledge".

Again, In #57, you once more attempt to modify what you said earlier. More oddity for someone knowledgeable.

In #61 you attempt to justify your anti-large-family position (and fail to do so, apparently mistaking the prebate for an entitlement system (which it is not) as though it needed to be larger for large families to cover their expenses. You also carp about the hidden tax pretending it is, somehow, mysterious when - after all - you claim to be a follower and almost supporter just about "On board" with the FairTax not long before. It is becoming patently obvious that there's something rotten in Denmark by about this time if not before. In the same post you go on to carp about the name of the FaitrTax as being "doublespeak" (must've missed the explanation of that which is on the FairTax website while you were "almost on board"). And in this same post you offer the assertion that you just get a hypothetical response of 'trust me' - when that has never been a response offered anyone under such circumstances.

In #68, you launch unwarranted (and unprovoked) attacks by calling the prebate "welfare" when it clearly is not and comparing it to the EIC which clearly IS welfare. You then next call the prebate a 'liberal's dream' when it is the opposite of that. You then continue on about completely unspecific "loopholes" and "black markets" - all without foundation and things that are some of the part and parcel of the SQLers handbook ... not to mention the big, bad bogeyman of "evasion" (also, of course, undefined).

All in all, kpp_kpp, in less than 100 posts on this thread you have clearly established yourself all right - but not as what you'd like us to believe in your posturing. Instead you have all of the earmarks, attitudes, and subject matter of any other Squirrel trying a sneak attack on the FairTax and supporters while pretending otherwise. You're far from the first to try this taxtic.

I'll not waste more time going through this thread to cite instances (and there are many more) since I know you'll never admit to them, but it is nice of you in your last sentence in #368 to finally admit the true situation.


374 posted on 12/07/2005 6:03:43 PM PST by pigdog
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