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How is immigration reform none of Mexico's business?
The Herald México / El Universal ^ | Lunes 05 de diciembre del 2005 | Kelly Arthur Garrett

Posted on 12/05/2005 1:03:30 PM PST by DumpsterDiver

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I get the feeling that the reporter heard a different speech than I did.

 

1 posted on 12/05/2005 1:03:31 PM PST by DumpsterDiver
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I get the feeling that the reporter heard a different speech than I did.

Nah, same speech...it's just that the reporter was expecting to hear one set of facts, and heard something entirely different. That is, our President spoke to our concerns, not Mexico's, for a change.

2 posted on 12/05/2005 1:08:41 PM PST by HiJinx (~ Plug the Dike ~ Drain the Swamp ~)
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"And it (US) will do these things on its own as it sees fit. Mexico will just have to live with whatever the United States comes up with."

Yeah, it kind of works that way, unless you forbid any of your people from immigrating here.

BWWHAHAHAHAHAHA!

3 posted on 12/05/2005 1:10:17 PM PST by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading since 2004)
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"Working without Mexico on immigration and border issues is a serious mistake by the United States. Working against Mexico on this issue, as is close to being the case already, would be more than serious. It would be dangerous."

I wonder if the guy puffed out his chest when he wrote that.

4 posted on 12/05/2005 1:12:57 PM PST by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading since 2004)
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Mexico has the right to set its' own immigration policy without US intervention, and we retain that very same right. it goes along with sovereignty. doesn't make us xenophobes or whatever clever names they want to call us.


5 posted on 12/05/2005 1:13:31 PM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you.)
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I don't remember the Mexican government asking our state department how the U.S. might feel when they started publishing comic books instructing their citizens how to violate our laws without getting caught.


6 posted on 12/05/2005 1:16:25 PM PST by jackbenimble (Import the third world, become the third world)
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People against illegal immigration, such as myself, believe strongly in the value of immigration - but it must be legal immigration. Trying to get this reporter and others like her to listen to that would be a non starter.
7 posted on 12/05/2005 1:20:08 PM PST by Mulch (tm)
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I think diplomats should suggest to Mexico that they open their borders to any USA citizen who wants to go to Mexico and live forever, but allow them to retain USA citizenship, but vote in Mexican elections. Yhey can buy any property they wish, any business they wish, be eligible for any government program available to Mexican citizens, travel anywhere they wish. If they want to talk about fair, make it fair, not just one sided in Mexico's favor. Then all our retirees can buy property in Mexico and we can take over their economy as well. Mexico can be the 51st State as far as I'm concerned.


8 posted on 12/05/2005 1:20:47 PM PST by tinamina
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No where in this rant is there made mention about what is LEGAL immigration and what is an illegal invasion.

Is lawlessness a prominent feature of Mexican culture?

The fact that Vinny Phocks admits to needing the US as a pressure relief valve for his failed policies says volumes about his abysmal failure as a leader.
9 posted on 12/05/2005 1:21:05 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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If they want to talk about fair, make it fair, not just one sided in Mexico's favor.

Maybe we need a few thousand Americans to walk across the border (not at a legal port of entry), squat some place, set up a tent city, and then dare them to make us leave.

10 posted on 12/05/2005 1:24:50 PM PST by DumpsterDiver
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Yes, long time coming if you ask me. Also this points out how silly it is when we do try to work with Mexico on border issues. I have known for years Mexico wants open borders and nothing else will make them happy. That's why it is so funny when I hear that "Mexican authorities" are working with US to help stop drug/people smuggling. Give me a break!!
I'm glad this guy is showing Mexico's true colors, hope this gets a lot of coverage. I can always hope.


11 posted on 12/05/2005 1:26:05 PM PST by Tammy8 (Build a Real Border Fence, and enforce Immigration Laws!!!)
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Is lawlessness a prominent feature of Mexican culture?

Since you ask.... yes, yes it is. Thank you for noticing. :^)

12 posted on 12/05/2005 1:26:11 PM PST by DumpsterDiver
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AFAIC President Bush should tell Fox that he'll treat the US southern border exactly the way Mexico treats theirs.

I understand you can be shot trying to enter Mexico from the south. No hypocrisy here, nosiree...

13 posted on 12/05/2005 1:27:25 PM PST by Mugwump
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The dirty secret is that Mexico rivals the South African Apartheid regime in terms of racism. Fox and his cronies are white, and if they could, they would love to foist all of Mexico's Indian population on the US.


14 posted on 12/05/2005 1:29:49 PM PST by dfwgator
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Maybe we need a few thousand Americans to walk across the border (not at a legal port of entry), squat some place, set up a tent city, and then dare them to make us leave.

From what I know about the corruption in Mexico, the police would probably rob, rape, and ransom the Americans.

15 posted on 12/05/2005 1:30:19 PM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree (Abortion is to family planning what bankruptcy is to financial planning.)
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Mexican go home. And stay there, damnit!


16 posted on 12/05/2005 1:30:49 PM PST by FerdieMurphy (For English press one. Only in America!)
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As a flood of xenophobia-tinged border security and immigrant-crackdown bills work their way through both houses of the U.S. Congress

Meanwhile, the Mexican government has military troops stationed on its southern border to prevent foreigners from Central America and South America from illegally entering Mexico. It looks as if the xenophobic Mexican government is cracking down on immigrants who want to enter Mexico.

17 posted on 12/05/2005 1:34:59 PM PST by judgeandjury
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Diehard optimists...got hit with a cruel dose of reality last week. As a flood of xenophobia-tinged border security and immigrant-crackdown bills work their way through both houses of the U.S. Congress...

The message comes down to this: The United States will not regularize the millions of undocumented immigrants working in its territory. It will instead seek more efficient ways to find them, punish them, and deport them. It will not work with Mexico to find creative solutions...

And it will do these things on its own as it sees fit. Mexico will just have to live with whatever the United States comes up with.

Poor babies. How about these messages to the author of this article and all of his ilk:

#1, it's not a Berlin style wall you bellyaching fool. That wall kept people bottled up in a repressive regime inside that oppressive regime. This one will keep illegal entrants out of a free one. If you can't see the difference, its either because you are hoplelessly ignorant, hopelessly biased, or you have another agenda entirely that is not in the best interest of the US...and for us Americans, that is what this is about.

#2, OF COURSE it is a plan fashioned by Americans that Mexicans will have to live with. It impacts issues on American soil, in our soveriegn territory. Soveriegn means we have exclusive control of it. Again...check on your literacy or your bias. In either case, we Americans will take care of our own problems on our soveriegn soil to our best interests.

If that happens to be something Mexicans agree with...great. If not, elect a government that can deal with it yourselves there south of the border on your soveriegn soil.

Finally, as much as this writer and his ilk would like to try and paint it differently...none of the issues currently under serious consideration are anti-immigration. They are anti-illegal entry. And that is how it should be. If you have a problem with that, take it up with the Mexicans themselves and the measures they use on their own southern border. Talk about hypocritical...but hey, that's their border and their way of handling their own problem.

We allow them that...and we will handle our own in our own way as well.

18 posted on 12/05/2005 1:36:45 PM PST by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: HiJinx

See my post number 18.


19 posted on 12/05/2005 1:37:49 PM PST by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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Did Sybil write this? Hard to believe these two lines came from the same writer in the same article.

"As a flood of xenophobia-tinged border security and immigrant-crackdown bills work their way through both houses of the U.S. Congress,..."

"A more justifiable dose of reality that sovereignty-minded Mexico should have no trouble swallowing is the United States' right to control its borders and regulate immigration."

20 posted on 12/05/2005 1:39:52 PM PST by moehoward
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