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To: Diamond
Well, if it has been debunked then you can't say it's unfalsifiable, can you? Please point to any scientific article which delineates the actual, not hypothetical, merely conceivable...

You have unwittingly described why ID is not falsifiable. It starts with the premise that there is no possible path to the flagellum by small steps. When a possible path is presented, suddenly the criterion is: no speculation; show us the actual path.

When the flagellum was first proposed as irreducible, it was found to be have subcomponents that actually exist in living bacteria. When this was pointed out, ID advocates came up with other excuses. The gaps are getting smaller, along with the god people insist on finding in them.

609 posted on 12/06/2005 9:43:37 AM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: js1138
When a possible path is presented...

You mean using logical symbols such as A,B,C,D?. When you say possible do you mean merely conceivable, or merely logically possible? Point to any scientific article that demonstrates an ontologically possible path, and not just a metabolic pathway, but the required assemblage of parts. (The flagellum is not just a metabolic pathway.) If that happens, a design hypothesis for this nano outboard motor would be finished off, or at least rendered superfluous.

It does seem though that it is effectively impossible to falsify the Darwinian claim if that involves showing that there is NO conceivable Darwinian pathway by which a flagellum could have evolved, which would require proving a universal negative.

Cordially,

635 posted on 12/06/2005 11:09:00 AM PST by Diamond (Qui liberatio scelestus trucido inculpatus.)
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