Posted on 12/05/2005 4:06:56 AM PST by PatrickHenry
This is not my statement.
I said that the citations you posted had no data and no experimentation.
But the heuristic aspect that is claimed by one of the writers has not proven itself. After 10 years, there's still no data. If ID is ever going to get on the map it will have to generate data first.
Both are applicable. One cannot test unobserved, unrecorded phenomena but can only make inferences from what exists. One can also dismiss all phenomena as "occuring naturally" whether it occurs naturally or not. In either case, the assertions are no more scientific, and no more provable, than those of ID proponents.
To what do you attribute the presence of organized matter?
The phenomena in question are not "unrecorded" as I pointed out to you. And they do occur naturally as they are occuring even to this day. You're dancing around the issue.
The phenomena in question happens to be an arrangement of molecules that results in the formation of a biological entity. Please direct me to that time and place where such phenomena have been observed and recorded; where life has been observed to arise from non-living matter. It is you who are dancing around the issue.
And once it does, then we should discuss it. Until it does, it's not worth the time.
Darwin and Punctuated Equilibrium. "PE" was actually predicted by Darwin.
That is one way a person could view the universe as we know it. Many people think of it that way. It is not wholly unreasonable. Nor is it wholly unreasonable to infer that where there is organized matter a designer may be involved. Both points of view will affect how one does science; how one interprets the evidence.
The best evidence for lack of intelligent design is chaos. Science doesn't happen very well where chaos reigns.
His degree was in religion/theology from Cambridge.
His interest in nature was an extracurricular activity.
The Designer designed everything.
We can spot design when we see it.
Life is impossible, therefore ID.
The universe is made for life, therefore ID.
Evolution causes communism.
Evolution causes fascism.
Evolution causes the evils of capitalism.
If it weren't for the Ignorati (what one web site calls the antievolutionists), there would be nothing to say at all.
And Dr. Crick theorized that it was aliens seeding Earth via rocket ships...not meteors from Mars seeded with life of some sort. He even drew pictures of the rocket ships in his book. What was it called...Life Itself?
I liked the comment on chemical evolution equalling abiogenesis though.
Interestingly enough, Linnaeus was led to the conclusion that species aren't fixed.
Was Linnaeus an evolutionist? It is true that he abandoned his earlier belief in the fixity of species, and it is true that hybridization has produced new species of plants, and in some cases of animals. Yet to Linnaeus, the process of generating new species was not open-ended and unlimited.
FAILED TO PROVE ABIOGENESIS.
I believe you have missed my point completely. I am in total agreement that Theology cannot be falsified by Science, nor can Science be proved through Theology.
What I am saying is that this journal DOES attempt to verify theology using science and that it does so on the presumption that science will trump theology whenever the two are perceived to conflict. I find this prejudicial and possibly bigoted, certainly unintellectual.
Do we still disagree on any point?
"Those preachers, that you referred to, might just be accurately pointing out the outright misrepresentations in the museum displays relating to human origins, human evolution, horse evolution and dinosaur to bird evolution (complete with feathered dinosaurs that don't even really exist...sinosauroptyrex and so forth)."
What misrepresentations?
BTW, some dinosaurs DID have feathers.
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