Condi Rice's new nickname - Whitehouse insiders say GWB now referring to Condi as '44'

Rice 2008 ^ | December 2005

[Spiff]

She is principled

How can a person be considered "principled" if they tolerate, excuse, or condone the butchery of innocent unborn children?

[MikefromOhio]

Interesting.

There is no stance listed here....


http://www.ontheissues.org/Condoleezza_Rice.htm

What I took from her other quotes on the topic that she doesn't believe the Federal Government should have anything to do with Abortion. That's a stance I happen to agree with BTW.

[Spiff]

What I took from her other quotes on the topic that she doesn't believe the Federal Government should have anything to do with Abortion. That's a stance I happen to agree with BTW.

Oh, then she's for overturning Roe v. Wade and letting the states decide on abortion? Good. Then I can support her.

Truthfully, I think you'll find that her position is quite different and that she is "pro-choice" and would never dream of supporting an end to Roe v. Wade. Prove me wrong.

[petitfour]

Well, first President W Bush cronied VP Cheney into the VP slot. Next, VP Cheney will step aside so that SOS Rice can be cronied into the VP slot. I suppose the President could then resign, and his newly appointed VP would become POTUS. How likely do you think that is? It is an intriguing possibility, but I think it highly unlikely.

[MikefromOhio]

A sitting President isn't going to overturn Roe v. Wade. and if she is as nearly as strongly PRO-2A as she appears to be, generally those opposed to abortion are generally very strong in the PRO-2A arena as well.

This is what I have found....



March 13, 2005 Condoleeza Rice Pro-Choice Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said on Friday that she is "mildly pro-choice" and "kind of libertarian" on abortion. Rice said abortion should be "as rare a circumstance as possible," although without excessive government intervention. She supports parental notification and the ban on late-term abortions. There is speculation of her running for President in 2008, and she is leaving the door open.

Abortion Stance

[nicmarlo]

ping

[Spiff]

A sitting President isn't going to overturn Roe v. Wade. and if she is as nearly as strongly PRO-2A as she appears to be, generally those opposed to abortion are generally very strong in the PRO-2A arena as well.

A sitting President has a great effect on whether the tragic Roe v. Wade decision can be overturned. I never said that they could single-handedly overturn it. They can, however, nominate justices to the Supreme Court and other Federal courts which would have a significant effect upon Roe v. Wade and other pro-baby butchery decisions and laws.

A pro-life President will work to get pro-life laws passed to protect the lives of the innocent unborn. They will sign such pro-life laws. They will use the bully pulpit, as Reagan did, to espouse the protection of the unborn.

Do you honestly think that Rice's "mildly pro-death" and "kind of noncomittal" views on abortion would allow her to do any of the above?

[Recovering_Democrat]

tell me you're joking. you don't take this seriesly.

[MikefromOhio]

Did you even READ the statement that you quoted me on?

IF she runs, chances are she won't make it through the primaries, but if she does, I am still voting for her.

Abortion isn't the only issue out there. It isn't the only issue for judicial nominees, it isn't for political candidates.

It is one of a plethora of big issues. There ISN'T ONE GOP candidate with national pull that has all of those issues wrapped up. Just so you know.

[chronic_loser]

Is she not pro-life? Do you have a direct link for that? That is not a challenge, just a question.

[Spiff]

Abortion isn't the only issue out there.

It IS for the 3,500 unborn children in the United States who were slaughtered today.

It IS for the approximately 1,000,000 babies butchered every year in the U.S.

It IS for the approximately 54,750,000 human lives that are ended in the womb every year worldwide.

It IS for the 45,951,133 innocent American children who have been murdered since 1973.

There is NO other thing, not terrorism, not cancer, not heart disease, not violent crime (although it is really a violent crime) that kills more people than abortion. There is no greater issue.

If illegal drugs were killing that many people, you'd want something done about it.

If product defects were killing that many people, you'd want something done about it.

If violent crime was killing that many people, you'd demand something be done about it.

If terrorists were killing that many people, you would not sit still until something was done about it. We've launched a global war on terror after Islamofascists killed 3,000 people on 9/11. Yet abortionist butchers slaughter at least as many EVERY DAY in America.

To tolerate, excuse, or condone the wanton slaughter of millions of Americans and pretend that it is just another political issue like all the others is a sign of either ignorance about the issue, complete heartlessness, or both.

[MikefromOhio]

So you are telling me that ALL 120+ Million voters that voted in 2004 VOTED BECAUSE OF ABORTION?

Come on now. Abortion is an absolute and utter travesty of both legal and moral proportions but dammit it doesn't drive or motivate EVERYONE to vote a certain way.

[Spiff]

So you are telling me that ALL 120+ Million voters that voted in 2004 VOTED BECAUSE OF ABORTION? Come on now. Abortion is an absolute and utter travesty of both legal and moral proportions but dammit it doesn't drive or motivate EVERYONE to vote a certain way.

I never said abortion motivates everyone. I only said that it motivates me as it is the greatest issue we face as a so-called "civilized" society. I will not vote for a pro-abortion candidate as they do not deserve a single vote.

[MikefromOhio]

hmmmm....your statement implies otherwise:

To tolerate, excuse, or condone the wanton slaughter of millions of Americans and pretend that it is just another political issue like all the others is a sign of either ignorance about the issue, complete heartlessness, or both.

I may be reading this wrong. But it seems to me that you equate people that don't vote based upon their belief for or against abortion to be either ignorant or heartless. both of which I don't think I am. But in reality things are different and you know it. It's great that abortion drives you. It isn't the same for others, probably most. It isn't for me, but it does matter. But Condi hasn't exactly been clear on her stance and APPEARS to lean more towards a Libertarian stance than anything else. Certainly she doesn't deserve your label of "Pro-Death". But let's tar and feather her already, right? I mean come on now....

[ZULU]

I thought she might make a good candidate. Her views on Israel and the Phillistinians however, have made me a little less "hot" on her.

[xzins]

I'm OK with Condi running, but a I have little doubt that Dick Cheney is the strongest candidate and absolutely, without doubt, the most devastating debater.

[MikefromOhio]

I thought she might make a good candidate. Her views on Israel and the Phillistinians however, have made me a little less "hot" on her.

yeah that is a downer. But even before that I had my doubts if she could carry the top of a ticket. She would be a great VP candidate though.....

[Spiff]

One cross for every unborn child killed in the United States today:

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That's 3,500 crosses, for for each of the 3,500 dead children, who are, to some, just another political issue, equally important with any other.

[Spiff]

But Condi hasn't exactly been clear on her stance and APPEARS to lean more towards a Libertarian stance than anything else. Certainly she doesn't deserve your label of "Pro-Death". But let's tar and feather her already, right? I mean come on now....

She said in one of your article excerpts that she is "mildly pro-choice." Only the most foolish don't know the "choice" in "pro-choice" equals abortion. Pro-choice is synonymous with pro-abortion. Abortion results in at least one death every time it is done. Therefore, "pro-choice" equals "pro-death". Condi said she is "mildly pro-choice", therefore she is admitting to be "mildly pro-death."

Condi is an otherwise good person, but on this issue she falls flat. I wish it were otherwise as I could then support her. Until she demonstrates that she is 100% for the protection of innocent children, born as well as unborn, she will not receive my support or my vote.

[MikefromOhio]

Condi is an otherwise good person, but on this issue she falls flat. I wish it were otherwise as I could then support her. Until she demonstrates that she is 100% for the protection of innocent children, born as well as unborn, she will not receive my support or my vote.

I don't think she cares as I don't think she wants to run. Call her Pro-Death. Just wait until we get Hillary as the President. You will be WISHING for someone like Condi.

But the very fact that she doesn't want the federal government to intervene is enough for me. They never should have IN THE FIRST PLACE. You have consistently missed my point.