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Swiss Guard fights off women
Scotsman ^ | 11.23.05 | PHILIP PULLELLA

Posted on 12/04/2005 7:33:18 PM PST by Coleus

Swiss Guard fights off women

PHILIP PULLELLA IN VATICAN CITY

THE Vatican told women yesterday they have no chance of joining the Swiss Guard, the world's oldest and most colourful mercenary force.

The "women need not apply" position was underscored at a news conference unveiling plans for six months of celebrations next year to mark the 500th anniversary of the founding of the elite corps which protects the Pope and guards the Vatican.

The corps has not seen action for centuries and its commandant, Colonel Elmar Mader, made it clear that one battle he did not want was one of the sexes. "I can't imagine that we would open up the Swiss Guard to women," he said, adding that the Vatican's barracks were "small and cramped" and he did not want disciplinary difficulties.

"They are young and I don't want to enlist problems. I'm not saying that women are not qualified to be in security forces, but it is a question of discipline."

Col Mader also said there was no question of changing the blue, gold and red Renaissance-style uniform."This is the uniform the world recognises. Changing the uniform of the Swiss Guard would be like changing the meaning of the world," he said.

A highlight of the celebrations, to be held from January to July, will be a 450-mile, 27-day march from Bellinzona in Switzerland to re-enact the guards' entry to Rome when Pope Julius II hired them to protect him.

As well as the traditional commemorative stamps and coins, a ceremony on 6 May will mark the day in 1527 when 147 guards were killed in St Peter's Square defending Pope Clement VII during the Sack of Rome by Emperor Charles V's forces.

They were also involved in minor skirmishes in 1870 when the Church lost the Papal States in the Unification of Italy.

Battlefields aside, the darkest night in the guards' history was a mysterious murder-suicide in 1998, when young guard Cedric Tornay shot dead Commandant Alois Estermann and his wife, and then himself, according to a Vatican account.

Today, the guard numbers 110 men, all Catholics who hail from the Swiss army and have to be at least 5ft 9in tall to apply.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: feminism; feminists; nags; swissguard; vatican; women
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1 posted on 12/04/2005 7:33:18 PM PST by Coleus
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To: Coleus
"Changing the uniform of the Swiss Guard would be like changing the meaning of the world"

Oh?

2 posted on 12/04/2005 7:34:55 PM PST by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: Coleus; Xenalyte; Dashing Dasher; Jersey Republican Biker Chick; xsmommy

C'mon, girls.

You'd want to dress like this?

3 posted on 12/04/2005 7:36:15 PM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Coleus
They'll use the excuse that Jesus didn't have female Swiss guards, so why should the church? It's a miracle so many women put up with Catholic misogyny.
4 posted on 12/04/2005 8:08:39 PM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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To: Coleus; NYer; Salvation; Salem

BTTT


5 posted on 12/04/2005 8:09:24 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Tagline Repair Service. Let us fix those broken Taglines. Inquire within(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: gcruse

Don't like it. Don't be a Catholic.


6 posted on 12/04/2005 8:30:43 PM PST by macgregor_45
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To: macgregor_45
I'm no Catholic - but you got it right. It's really great seeing an organization/state making a decision, regardless of conformity with PC notions, and just making it so. National Organization for Women, et. al. - ESAD!
7 posted on 12/04/2005 8:45:38 PM PST by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: Coleus

I'm not Cathilic nor woman. I don't have problem with them maintaining the tradition... It's basically a legion of private guard of the pope. If the pope(s) do not think change is needed, why do people have to bother?


8 posted on 12/04/2005 9:03:24 PM PST by paudio (Four More Years..... Let's Use Them Wisely...)
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To: gcruse
It's a miracle so many women put up with Catholic misogyny.

Or the Army's homophobia. Or Conservatives' bigotry. Or the Republicans' racism. Or Bush's stupidity. Or the Neocons' imperialism. Or Liberals' cliches.

9 posted on 12/04/2005 9:48:54 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Peace Begins in the Womb)
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To: gcruse
It's a miracle so many women put up with Catholic misogyny.

We hate women yet we worship the Blessed Virgin Mary. That's quite the enigma we mackerel snappers are saddled with.

10 posted on 12/04/2005 10:31:43 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Catholics usually deny they worship Mary. Your admission is the first I've seen.


11 posted on 12/05/2005 9:43:00 AM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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To: Coleus

Childhood photo


12 posted on 12/05/2005 9:55:29 AM PST by DainBramage
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To: gcruse

It's a miracle so many women put up with Catholic misogyny.
>>>>

misogyny, there isn't any in the church.


13 posted on 12/05/2005 4:13:01 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: gcruse
They'll use the excuse that Jesus didn't have female Swiss guards, so why should the church?

They'll use the excuse that Jesus didn't have female scouts, so why should the Boy Scouts?

They'll use the excuse that Jesus didn't have female reporters in His locker room, so why should the NFL?

They'll use the excuse that Jesus didn't have female golfers at His exclusive club, so why should Augusta?

Its a miracle women put up with men at all...

14 posted on 12/05/2005 4:19:46 PM PST by kidd
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To: kidd

Heh. Indeed. And at the rate women are overtaking men on college campusses... campuses.... campi(?)... they'll be in the driver's seat before it's all over.


15 posted on 12/05/2005 4:36:29 PM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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To: gcruse

That was sarcasm. Once again you've proven that you aren't very bright.


16 posted on 12/13/2005 1:01:11 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: A.A. Cunningham

I'm waiting for them (women) to start fathering children.


17 posted on 12/13/2005 1:13:23 AM PST by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.......for without victory there is no survival."--Churchill--that's "Winston")
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To: gcruse
"They'll use the excuse that Jesus didn't have female Swiss guards, so why should the church? It's a miracle so many women put up with Catholic misogyny."

I was looking up old news about Switzerland on this site and came across this article. To address you comment, I think a more credible explanation is that the Colonel is not going to drop the standards to accomodate female enlistees. That's an excellent choice, in my opinion.

18 posted on 07/16/2006 9:46:35 AM PDT by Jimnorwellwarren
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To: gcruse

If you can't see the problem or the importance of tradition then it is a good thing that you are not a Catholic and your opinions are worth exactly what we pay for them.


19 posted on 07/16/2006 1:09:08 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law

Ah, tradition, the lip service misogyny pays to patriarchy.


20 posted on 07/16/2006 1:40:09 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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