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1 posted on 12/04/2005 12:13:11 AM PST by Hadean
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what planet is this guy on?


2 posted on 12/04/2005 12:14:39 AM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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This author is more than just delusional, he's writing what he wants to happen and since it's in black and white, imagines that that will make it so.


3 posted on 12/04/2005 12:16:37 AM PST by nopardons
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Gee I wonder if this idiot reporter is smart enough to realize that Nixon was the THIRD president during the Viet Nam conflict. In addition, I wonder if this idiot reporter understand that Bush will never again stand for election but Nixon was facing reelection?


4 posted on 12/04/2005 12:17:22 AM PST by JLS
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This is one of the big problems....

.... a system that would have brought Islamists to power by free elections in Algeria in 1991, or that may bring them to power in Gaza in 2005, might be democratic but it would surely not further freedom. Subjects of a benign monarchy, on the other hand, might have more day-to-day freedom than we do but be undemocratic. As a general guideline, the United States should surely promote self-determination. But it makes little sense to me to pretend that everyone’s self-determination is in America’s interests. If, for example, there were truly free elections in Egypt, and the Muslim Brotherhood won, do people really think that would be better for us and for the world than Mubarak with all his warts?



I also must take issue with the suggestion that it is somehow “racist” or “foolish” to observe – humbly, and without presuming to have the final answer – that a culture which has not produced democracies as a matter of course over many centuries (and particularly over the last three centuries, when democracy has spread elsewhere) might be “undemocratic.” It is conceivable, moreover, that an undemocratic culture, if free, might choose democracy. But it also might not. If, for example, the Shiites in Southern Iraq eventually split off from the Sunnis and Kurds, and either form their own country or marry up in some form with Iran, they will have determined their own fate but the resulting sharia state would not be a democracy recognizable to us. And it is noteworthy that the most successful democracy in the Muslim world has been Turkey – the nation that most rigorously walled Islamic culture out of political life.

Some of my colleagues try to compensate for this problem by advancing the increasingly familiar refrain that the goal in Iraq is not to create a western style democracy but what is described by Mr. Peters (with whom I generally agree, but not in this particular case) as a “variant of democracy that answers their needs.” For my money, this just repositions the goal line to avoid conceding that Iraq and other authoritarian states are unlikely to reach the actual goal line connoted by our conception of democracy. The Iranians, for example, have settled on a variant of democracy that answers their needs – but I doubt anyone in this discussion would regard it as a real democracy.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=20392


5 posted on 12/04/2005 12:19:53 AM PST by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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Nixon had no choice, Congress cut the funding.

The Washington Post needs to hire some reporters who passed their 9th grade History Class.

The anti-war left, led by John Kerry, Jane Fonda and their communist allies in the Main Stream Media, were successful in turning the American public against the War, and the lilly liver-ed Congress Critters put their electability over what was good for the Nation and they voted to cut the funding for the Troops they voted to send into the War.

Difference is... John Murtha is no John Kerry, and Jeanine Gerafilo is no Jane Fonda. There isn't millions of protesters in the streets on Washington, there isn't Gerafilo sitting on an IED in Baghdad, and all this lame ass leftist Washington Post reporter is engaging in is WISHFUL THINKING, He wishes we would cut and run and he wishes his generation could match the Glory days of his predecessor's in our leftists media

6 posted on 12/04/2005 12:23:50 AM PST by MJY1288 (THE DEMOCRATS OFFER NOTHING FOR THE FUTURE AND THEY LIE ABOUT THE PAST)
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This jack-ass is... a jack-ass. I'mm 55 years old and have seen thais BS since I was a kid living in CO at the age of 16. These people people really twist my shorts. This ... never-mind... I'll get banned in a heart-beat if I continue this rant. Sorry to all. *breathing easy*

I think I'l be going to the range this afternoon and imagine certain targets. LOL.

7 posted on 12/04/2005 12:29:18 AM PST by Cobra64
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"Psychologically and politically, the withdrawal phase has already begun."

Actually, I find much to agree with in the fundamental premises of this piece. Nixon pulled out because Congress, the media and the public had no taste for finishing the job even though by every military metric we were winning and he knew it. Defeatism became a self-fulfilling prophecy. I see many chilling parallels with the political scene today, but on warp speed compared to the '60s. This time the game won't play through three presidencies. Nevermind that our country was attacked and thousands of civilians died this time. In my darker days I fear we will wimp out this time too, placing the nation at great peril.

I hope events prove me wrong. But the media in particular is emboldened by its success in undermining our war against communism; despite tactical blunders and unfavorable demographic trends, its battle to undermine America continues. All indications are that the media has successfully cast the electorate against the liberation of Iraq and bound our hands for continuing what needs to be done in Syria and Iran.

The process is fascinating to watch. Idiots like Murtha plow the fields of public opinion for calculating Machiavellian pros like Hillary, as you could see unfold in the past three weeks. The political dominos may yet fall for Bush as they did for Nixon. I hope not.
8 posted on 12/04/2005 12:29:48 AM PST by RightOnTheLeftCoast (You're it)
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How can I be sure? I'm not, and I have no inside information. But the evolving structure of public opinion about Iraq is making the current war effort there unsustainable.

The evolving structure of public opinion is a house of cards built by the political leanings of the daily propaganda pundits.

When forced to vote on these forced dreams of shangri la, reality seems to wiggle through the cracks and smacks the msm right upside the head.

9 posted on 12/04/2005 12:32:02 AM PST by JoeSixPack1
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When the Terrorist over there, cut the heads off of those Peacenics who went to Iraq to "Find a Solution" to the conflict, the reaction by the Liberals will be contrary to when Jane Fonda and Ramsey Clark climbed into bed with the enemy, this adventure will not be wise choice for those idiots when they come home headless in a bag


10 posted on 12/04/2005 12:38:21 AM PST by MJY1288 (THE DEMOCRATS OFFER NOTHING FOR THE FUTURE AND THEY LIE ABOUT THE PAST)
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And will be the price of a media/leftist pressure pullout in Iraq be the same price paid when the US withdrew from Vietnam?

2-3 million slain innocent Vietnamese and Cambodians slain in the aftermath of the pullout. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of boat people who set out to sea and died.


11 posted on 12/04/2005 12:40:23 AM PST by Cincinna (The ARKANSAS GRIFTERS want to take over your country. STOP THEM NOW!)
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Then Pat Buchanon will love him!

George W. Bush is not Nixon.

Iraq isn't Vietnam.

And the silent Majority is no longer so damn silent.

Congress can't make the President withdraw troops. They can withdraw funding. If they try to do that, I volunteer to help in a drive to fund this war directly from our own pockets without the Government as the go between. Further, I volunteer to defeat every Republican that thinks withdrawal is their key to (re)election.

The threat is real. It's shared by millions like myself. The uproar they heard over the Warner resolution is only a taste of what will happen to them, and infact, that uproar would still be happening had not the House saved their butts with the 403-3 vote.

As well, success in Iraq is transitioning faster than anyone could have thought. Democrats/MSM/Hagel/Terrorists are running out of breath trying to bring defeat before it completely materializes. They will fail. THEY haven't enough time.


13 posted on 12/04/2005 12:51:20 AM PST by Soul Seeker (Mr. President: It is now time to turn over the money changers' tables.)
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All Over but the Pullback: Nixon Did It in Vietnam. Bush Will Do It in Iraq.

Hey Johathan, don't give Tricky Dick all the credit. After all, Jimmy Carter did it in Panama, didn't he?

14 posted on 12/04/2005 12:51:50 AM PST by Steely Tom (Fortunately, the Bill of Rights doesn't include the word 'is'.)
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But the evolving structure of public opinion about Iraq is making the current war effort there unsustainable.

Translation:

The continued bombardment by the MSM in collusion with the Democrats has managed to brainwash the populace into believing that the current war effort in Iraq is unsustainable. It is the same stratagy used in Vietnam and it is working again.

19 posted on 12/04/2005 12:55:30 AM PST by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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Militarily, the pullback will start within weeks, or at most months, of the Dec. 15 Iraqi parliamentary elections. How can I be sure? I'm not, and I have no inside information.

A big "Duh" to the author! 38,000 troops were added just for the elections, and the plan all along has been to pull them out after the elections.

22 posted on 12/04/2005 1:30:44 AM PST by JoeGar
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Had Duck Hook and Linebacker II both taken place simultaneously and in 1969, as opposed to 1970 and 1972 respectively, Watergate would've never happened.

Had Watergate never happened, President Nixon would have been able to respond to the April 1975 NVA invasion of South Vietnam with American Airpower in support of the ARVN, as well as emergency infusions of economic aid to bolster the Thieu government (and, incidentally, he would've served out his full term).

For want of a nail...

Even given all of that (the things that didn't happen when they should've), Nixon still had the Vietnam War won. It was the Democrats in Congress and the liberals in the media who lost it--and well after Nixon left office.

23 posted on 12/04/2005 1:31:38 AM PST by A Jovial Cad ("If you kill enough of them, they stop fighting." -General Curtis LeMay)
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The people of Iraq now have a democraticly elected government, their previous terrorist funding, baby burying, merchant dismembering, genocidal maniac government is either dead, imprisoned, or on the way to one of the above. Most of the country is peaceful - possibly more so, than say California, who had more people murdered in one year than we lost soldiers conquering Iraq's Armed Forces and two years of fighting terrorism.

Our campaign, one of the most spectacularly successful in history, as it liberated 25 million people while removing a threat to the world who systematically exterminated hundreds of thousands of its own people, is winding down as planned after meeting almost every individual goal, while directly causing other events of incalculable benefit to the future of the world such as the disarming of Libya's WMD and the renewed cooperation of the Saudis, and this moron is comparing it to VietNam?

We're helping people who want our help learn to defend themselves against evil, and as they step up we can move out. That's always been the plan, it's working, and we're sticking to it. Both history and current events prove that this plan has been prolonged by those on the left who are more concerned with their political stature than the lives of our servicemen and the safety of our citizens, nonetheless, the plan has succeeded, and it is too late for them to stop it.

Because he did the right thing, making us a prouder, stronger country, and because he stuck to his guns, George W Bush will go down in history as one of our country's greatest presidents, and there's not a thing the Rats or the LSM can do about it.

25 posted on 12/04/2005 1:55:18 AM PST by 4woodenboats
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"He was reluctant to withdraw," says John Mueller, a political scientist at Ohio State University and the author of several books on war and public opinion, "but he kept being pushed by politics."

What?! Hell, Nixon ran his campaign on withdrawing from Vietnam.

He was only more than happy to take credit for getting the US out of a mess that the dummies got us into.

26 posted on 12/04/2005 2:01:44 AM PST by cowboyway (My heroes have always been cowboys.)
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Isn't "Rauch" the sound you make when you puke?


27 posted on 12/04/2005 2:03:56 AM PST by Beckwith (The liberal press has picked sides ... and they have sided with the Islamofascists)
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the comPost and the National sewerView at their best:
subsidiaries of the al queda propoganda division.


28 posted on 12/04/2005 2:17:54 AM PST by JohnLongIsland
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Iraq is only one front of the GWOT... Of course the MSM does not get it... neither do the Defeatacrats. "This War" will last for many years possibly decades. If we do not fight it to the end and win then it will be the end of the United States as we enjoy it today.


32 posted on 12/04/2005 3:03:41 AM PST by tomnbeverly ("Our Military are fighting terrorists in Iraq, so we do not have to face them here at home")
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