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'Secret' dolphin slaughter defies protests
Japan Times ^ | Nov. 30, 2005

Posted on 12/03/2005 11:05:50 AM PST by presidio9

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To: dsc
"I can't forget that people develop an affinity for all kinds of creatures."

My point was really the opposite of the above, it was that dolphins have an affinity for people. They like us, and, as I pointed out earlier in the thread, many stories of them saving humans, pushing them to shore, etc. are true. The only other creature I know of that does similar things is the domesticated dog, which may be less intelligent than the dolphin.

All those poisonous critters that people like aren't even close to being in the same class with dolphins and dogs. BTW, most turtles have 13 plates on their shells, one for each of the original 13 colonies ;-)

"while I agree that it's rational to like certain animals, I think it's going overboard to respect any animal."

I may be using the word "respect" in a different sense than you, but IMO all living creatures are deserving of respect. 'Course, that does not prevent us from eating some of them, but I don't think dolphins should be among those that we consume.

I want to put in my qualifier again - I don't recognize the species of dolphin pictured, so can't say if they specifically are the intelligent ones that like people.

However dolphins have been loved and respected by humanity for thousands of years, I don't think it behooves us conservatives to treat that so lightly, without good reason. Instead, I think it to be one of those traditions conservatives should honor, in spite of the fact that politically correct leftists are trying to preempt it for mercenary reasons.

81 posted on 12/04/2005 8:46:14 AM PST by Sam Cree (absolute reality) - "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." Albert Einstein)
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To: presidio9
In all fairness, Harp Seal Pups taste much better.

LOL!...Take That PETA/ELF/LIBERALS. :D

82 posted on 12/04/2005 8:59:32 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
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To: presidio9
This is for all you dolphinophiliacs;

Flipper
They call him Flipper, Flipper, faster than lightning,
No-one you see, is smarter than he,
And we know Flipper, lives in a world full of wonder,
Flying there-under, under the sea!
Everyone loves the king of the sea,
Ever so kind and gentle is he,
Tricks he will do when children appear,
And how they laugh when he's near!
They call him Flipper, Flipper, faster than lightning,
No-one you see, is smarter than he,
And we know Flipper, lives in a world full of wonder,
Flying there-under, under the sea!

83 posted on 12/04/2005 9:07:56 AM PST by Surtur (Free Trade is NOT Fair Trade unless both economies are equivalent.)
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To: montag813
There was a woman in my favorite deli the other day with a PETA shirt...I despise those people and enjoy making fools of them in public any chance I get....GOOD SHOW! :D
84 posted on 12/04/2005 9:21:16 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
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To: Sam Cree
My point was really the opposite of the above, it was that dolphins have an affinity for people. They like us, and, as I pointed out earlier in the thread, many stories of them saving humans, pushing them to shore, etc. are true. The only other creature I know of that does similar things is the domesticated dog, which may be less intelligent than the dolphin....all jesting aside, I agree w/ You.
85 posted on 12/04/2005 9:27:19 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
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To: DTogo
Thanks, for the ping. DTogo. :)
86 posted on 12/04/2005 9:28:59 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
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To: Amelia

A dolphin bashing thread is the last thing I expected. I know that it's mostly joking, but still.

I've been on the water off and on most of my life, professionally at times. I've yet to meet anyone that didn't love dolphins, until here. Very weird. I guess, as you say, it's a knee jerk reaction. Maybe they are city folks.


87 posted on 12/04/2005 9:43:23 AM PST by Sam Cree (absolute reality) - "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." Albert Einstein)
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To: skinkinthegrass

I guess everyone is joking. Probably I'm getting upset for no reason. Thanks!


88 posted on 12/04/2005 9:56:59 AM PST by Sam Cree (absolute reality) - "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." Albert Einstein)
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To: dsc; Sam Cree
Sam Cree: "It's just that with their high intelligence and their affinity for us, I feel like dolphins deserve extra respect, especially from us conservatives."

I certainly agree with you Sam!

And I certainly don't agree with dsc, who thinks it preposterous that "People have even waxed sentimental over grizzly bears". or that "it's going overboard to respect any animal". As he says.

I think that the disrespect of the natural world, or callous and willful destruction of it, is in no way a value I would call 'conservative'. It is our responsibility, and our reward, to preserve a spot on this planet for things that are not of man.

89 posted on 12/04/2005 10:04:50 AM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: HairOfTheDog
"It is our responsibility, and our reward, to preserve a spot on this planet for things that are not of man."

Probably a prerequisite for our survival too, I imagine. Also, judging by this thread, for our mental health ;-)

90 posted on 12/04/2005 10:21:29 AM PST by Sam Cree (absolute reality) - "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." Albert Einstein)
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To: Sam Cree

There's a lot of people who use threads on environmental or animal concerns to demonstrate their God given right to piss on whatever they want in the name of some human superiority over animals, as if that's even the point.

I think these kinds of internet posts are the equivalent of the boys in school who used to pull the legs off things just to upset the girls in the school yard.


91 posted on 12/04/2005 10:34:05 AM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: bukkdems
I like salmon stuffed with crabmeat, and I like my steaks rare. But, I condemn the factory farming of animals and I condemn the killing of dolphins, just like I condemn childhood slavery and pedaphillia. The dolphins can eat all the fish they want and so can you and I. You can't place me in one of your pidgeonholes.

But judging from your tagline, you don't condemn slaughtering babies?

Your moral outrage is extremely subjective. It's okay for "you" to do these things but "you" condemn the industry for doing it even though that industry keeps people from starving to death.

You might have a mental disorder...

92 posted on 12/04/2005 10:45:30 AM PST by streetpreacher (If at the end of the day, 100% of both sides are not angry with me, I've failed.)
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To: HairOfTheDog
"...to demonstrate their God given right to piss on whatever they want in the name of some human superiority..."

It's akin to those folks on welfare who are given free housing, only to destroy it and transform it into hellholes.

93 posted on 12/04/2005 11:10:41 AM PST by Sam Cree (absolute reality) - "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." Albert Einstein)
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To: HairOfTheDog
I think that the disrespect of the natural world, or callous and willful destruction of it, is in no way a value I would call 'conservative'. It is our responsibility, and our reward, to preserve a spot on this planet for things that are not of man.

Seems to me that when God gave Adam jurisdiction over all the living things on the Earth, it was to care for them, not so that Adam could just tear everything to bits.

94 posted on 12/04/2005 11:34:39 AM PST by Amelia (I thought conservatives were supposed to be rational.)
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To: streetpreacher
You might have a mental disorder...

We might all have mental disorders, but you probably aren't qualified to make that diagnosis, and what does that have to do with the thread anyway?

If you can't make your point without resorting to ad hominem attacks, you must not have had much of a point to begin with.

95 posted on 12/04/2005 11:37:18 AM PST by Amelia (I thought conservatives were supposed to be rational.)
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To: girlangler

girlangler, dolphins are not fish.


96 posted on 12/04/2005 11:42:29 AM PST by HighWheeler (Death is better than taxes because death doesn't get worse every year.)
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To: Amelia

Didn't you even read what this person wrote? It is in direct opposition to your tagline. And judging by his tagline, he has a clear agenda here.

Sometimes there are no points to be made to fools other than the obvious one...


97 posted on 12/04/2005 11:55:42 AM PST by streetpreacher (If at the end of the day, 100% of both sides are not angry with me, I've failed.)
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To: Amelia

Agreed. I disagree with willful and malicious destruction of natural resources but that is a vast difference from what the PETA poster was referring to, i.e. "farming" of animals for human consumption.


98 posted on 12/04/2005 12:00:16 PM PST by streetpreacher (If at the end of the day, 100% of both sides are not angry with me, I've failed.)
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To: HighWheeler

Whew, glad we cleared that up.

What are they?


99 posted on 12/04/2005 12:05:03 PM PST by girlangler (I'd rather be fishing)
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To: streetpreacher; bukkdems

She called it "factory farming." I had supposed she was not referring to the family type farms such as many of us grew up on where livestock was pastured, but to the types of farms (I have heard of) where calves are forced to live their entire lives out in small boxes, that type of thing. Amimal slaughter, though perhaps necessary for our health and life, seems cruel enough without adding to it, IMO. That may well have been her point.


100 posted on 12/04/2005 12:11:26 PM PST by Sam Cree (absolute reality) - "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." Albert Einstein)
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