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To: tkathy; Stellar Dendrite; NRA2BFree; Happy2BMe; Spiff; Pelham; Das Outsider; moehoward; ...
I've *pinged* you all her because THIS is what we are up against...tkathy said...

"The talk show hosts are ginning up the sheeple against republicans rather than against democrats. Winning elections is not about being bullies, it's about persuasion."

And you have the mistaken idea that winning means giving in to the opponents ideas, and parroting a watered-down version.

What we have is "Big Tent/Big Gulp"-ism...the "Party over Principles" crowd have run the business into the ground by alienating it's customers.

Like Reagan, you win with ideas...you win by fighting for your ideas...not "persuading", because all that does is let the "persuaded" twist in the wind until they are "persuaded" back the other way...you win by BEATING the other guy...not agreeing with him!

Winning is about doing what is right...not just to get re-elected. When we elect these hosebags, they are supposed to do their jobs, not pad their pockets, mouth platitudes, and get invited to parties!

Just because a Traitor has an (R) next to their name, they are no less a Traitor!

Winning without Values and Principles is not winning...it's feeding at the public trough!

And THAT is what we got with "Compassionate Conservatism"...that is what we got with "diversity"...that is what we got by trying to out DemonRAT the DemonRATs...and that is what we got by letting this Country become the playthings of two political families...Bush and Clinton!

No more...nada...zip...time to throw them all out and start again!

154 posted on 12/03/2005 12:48:19 PM PST by Itzlzha ("The avalanche has already started...it is too late for the pebbles to vote")
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To: Itzlzha; tkathy

Thx for the ping.

What tkathy does not understand is that the "growth of RAT voters" is not the problem we face but the "turning off of conservative voters" through socialist GOP moves that endangers us all.

Tony Snow is right on. Excellent article by Tony. Practically every single conservative national commentatory from Snow, though Malkin and Coulter and Noonan and to Will and Krauthammer and all the others have sharply criticized what is going on within this weak-kneed GOP.

The RATs are not hurting the GOP. The GOP's own softie agenda and liberal ways is killing the GOP.


155 posted on 12/03/2005 12:54:21 PM PST by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (Bush's #1 priority Africa. #2 priority appease Fox and Mexico . . . USA priority #64.)
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To: Itzlzha
Just because a Traitor has an (R) next to their name, they are no less a Traitor!

The Bush administration and their cronies have chased many long-time faithful members of the GOP away, there's no doubt.

If we had known he was leaning towards socialism, we would have never elected him, even though the choices we had were putrid. Many of us would have voted third party, which is what I did in '04 and what I will do in '08.

160 posted on 12/03/2005 1:13:10 PM PST by janetgreen
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To: Itzlzha
Winning is about doing what is right...not just to get re-elected. When we elect these hosebags, they are supposed to do their jobs, not pad their pockets, mouth platitudes, and get invited to parties!

Just because a Traitor has an (R) next to their name, they are no less a Traitor!

Bump!

162 posted on 12/03/2005 1:17:07 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Itzlzha

'Like Reagan, you win with ideas...you win by fighting for your ideas...not "persuading"'


Do you not see the contradiction here? "Winning with ideas" IS persuasion! "Fighting" for your ideas by engaging in the argument, rather than foaming at the mouth, or literally fighting your "enemies"- IS persuasion. Disengagement would be fatal- TO THE REPUBLICANS; disengagement is what the guy above was counseling when he said he wasn't going to vote anymore.

Not voting in the Rep primaries is counterproductive; it NARROWS the field and gives the incumbent the advantage. Jeesh. It's like the Suni's (sp?)counseling the same thing in Iraq! We should know better. In fact, the US is teaching the Iraqi's the method of "persuasion" rather than hammering their foes. Politics ... the art of the possible.


217 posted on 12/03/2005 5:06:08 PM PST by Anselma
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To: Itzlzha
"Winning without Values and Principles is not winning...it's feeding at the public trough!"

A perfect descriptor for the Hispandering GOP Big Tent RINOs, liberals and moderates. It's what they know best.

316 posted on 12/03/2005 7:03:48 PM PST by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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