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To: ml1954
Proposal 3: Let's determine if he believes in the Intelligent Designer and all he/she/it Designs. If 'No', then no money for you. If 'Yes', then we'll give you some money but we'll be watching you closely.

Yet another example that absolutely convinces me that creationists and IDers are intrinsically liberals. To wit:

Liberals love to be the victim.
Iders: poor us, we can't get our papers published because all the mean scientists are against us.
ml1954: poor us, we can't get our proposals funded because all of the mean scientists are against us.

Liberals believe in entitlements and "rights" that they don't have to work for, such as free health care, free child care, free education, free damn near everything without having to work for anything.
IDers: we want to have our Discovery Institute paid for and our researchers funded but we don't have to publish a single paper reporting on our "reseach". We are entitled to equal time with those, those .... Darwinists (who just happen to have published nearly 50,000 peer reviewed papers in that same 10 years).

221 posted on 12/03/2005 4:13:32 PM PST by 2ndreconmarine (Horse feces (929 citations) vs ID (0 citations) and horse feces wins!!!!!)
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To: 2ndreconmarine

ml1954: poor us, we can't get our proposals funded because all of the mean scientists are against us.

I'm not sure how to take your post. FYI, I'm on your side. If you are confusing me with that other ml poster, please see my tag line. I'm really going to have to start using the sarcasm tag.

My point was the IDers/Creationists want to have their theory become the governing theory in science (the Wedge document). If they get their way, "Proposal 3" will become one of the screening criteria for allocating research funds.

224 posted on 12/03/2005 4:25:14 PM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads)
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To: 2ndreconmarine

Another way IDer and Creationists are liberals: They're pushing an affirmative action program. I don't see much difference between teaching ID and teaching Afrocentric history or Ebonics.


251 posted on 12/03/2005 6:16:19 PM PST by Virginia-American
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