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The Western myth of a Serbian Kosova
Bosnian Institute ^ | 29 November, 2005 | Branka Magaš

Posted on 12/02/2005 10:15:22 PM PST by Hunden

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To: DTA
The Inhabitants of Dubrovnik have regarded themselves as Croats since the 19th century. Before 1808, Dubrovnik was an independent republic which sometimes paid a tribute to Venice or the Ottomans.

And of course, to say that Dubrovnik was originally "Serb" on account of the fact that it was founded on a territory invaded by the Serbs in the 7th century is only slightly less true than to say that the Ustashe were Serbs. For almost all of the Ustashe were Herzegovinian Croats and as such, the descendants of Serbs converted to Catholicism by the Franciscans in the early 15th century.

41 posted on 12/04/2005 1:48:43 PM PST by Hunden (Email)
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To: Grizzly Adams

Branka Magas bases her reasoning on the 1974 Constitution, which recognized the "equal rights" of the Constituent peoples" and "nationalities".


42 posted on 12/04/2005 1:53:10 PM PST by Hunden (Email)
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To: Hunden; dennisw

No, you're thinking of the nation of cowards that is France where peace will only come when the territorial claims of the descendents of the Franks, meaning the cheese-eating surrender monkeys, are at long last rejected by their new Muhammedan occupants.

Peace in Kosovo, on the other hand, will only come alongside the Serb army, who will also restore justice.


43 posted on 12/04/2005 1:53:53 PM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: FormerLib; mark502inf; heybeavis; Hoplite; GSlob; ninenot; sittnick; steve50; Hegemony Cricket; ...
So you are only here to peddle the following:

— The Muslims in the former Yugoslavia are invaders, not native people whose ancestors converted to a mild form of islam.

— None of them is anything but an Islamo-fascist so that every violence meted out to them is legitimate self-defence

— Those who defend their rights as innocent human beings are therefore accomplices of Islamo-fascism or in the pay of liberal do-gooders.

— There is no objective truth: every statement by the member of a tribe is due to the fact that he or she is a member of that tribe. What my tribe says is true because it is my tribe, and therefore…

— Every territorial claims by the Serbs is legitimate, including countries which were never part of a Serbian state or where the Serbs are only a tiny minority.

Beyond those statements, every one of which is the opposite of the truth, you have nothing to say.

Why repeat yourself?

The political principle at the root of Western, and particularly American, civilization is that every human being naturally has rights to the extent that he does not violate the rights of others.

You are not part of that civilization: the principle which drives you here, that you may say anything you wish and do everything you want to others if you claim to have the right religion, that is if you belong to the right tribe, is the Oriental principle at the core of Islamo-fascistm.

That is why you cannot be an ally, but are actually a hindrance in the struggle against it, and your claim to defend "Christianity" is an embarrassment to all real Christians

44 posted on 12/04/2005 2:01:43 PM PST by Hunden (Email)
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To: Hunden
Beyond those statements, every one of which is the opposite of the truth, you have nothing to say.

Considering that you made each one of them up, monkey-boy, what makes you think you can make me claim any of them since they are not what I said?

Shouldn't you be surrendering to someone by now?

45 posted on 12/04/2005 2:10:54 PM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: FormerLib

If you didn't agree with some those statements, all you had to to is indicate which ones.


48 posted on 12/04/2005 5:16:55 PM PST by Hunden (Email)
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To: Hunden

Actually, I didn't have to do anything of the sort. Like seeing dog crap in the road, there's just no reason to get involved with it.

All of the statements were nonsense and the suggestion that any of our anti-Islamofascist posters said anything of the sort is pure dog crap.

Surrender now, monkey, and fulfill your destiny!


49 posted on 12/04/2005 5:48:55 PM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: Hunden
— The Muslims in the former Yugoslavia are invaders, not native people whose ancestors converted to a mild form of islam.

Actually, their ancestors were native people that converted to a very brutal form of Islam! Unless, of course, you consider having your children ripped from you and sent to Turkey as "mild"!

You really should educate yourself about the brutality of Islam in the Balkans.

50 posted on 12/04/2005 7:05:21 PM PST by F-117A
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To: FormerLib
That's right. France, you see, was originally part of Algeria, and so must be returned.

And after that Spain, wasn't it, from a post here quite some time ago, also used to be part of a muslim nation...

What we really need is that muslim expansionist map that used to be posted here rather frequently. So we can see if there are any countries not targeted for the return that we can possibly inhabit. Hopefully we can all squeeze in to those few places that still exist that were not originally muslim.

And I guess I can forget visiting Georgia again, because certainly the entire Caucasus was originally a very ancient chechen/muslim nation.

In a few years we will be able to learn about how the US was actually a muslim nation at one time.

51 posted on 12/04/2005 8:32:11 PM PST by MarMema (http://www.curenikolette.org/)
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To: Hunden
Branka Magas bases her reasoning on the 1974 Constitution, which recognized the "equal rights" of the Constituent peoples" and "nationalities".

There are no "equal rights" here. Mrs. Branka Magas has obviously no clue what she's talking about. The right to self-determination was granted to the constituent nations only.

52 posted on 12/05/2005 2:32:41 AM PST by Grizzly Adams
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To: Grizzly Adams

Kosova and Voivodina were actually established before Serbia: Kosova in January 1944, Voivodina in March 1944, Serbia only in November 1944.

What a load of crap. Serbia was established in 1878 at the 'Congress of Berlin'.





Actualy Serbia was established in 1217. By Grand Duke Stefan Nemanja.

Modern Serbian state was established in Serb Revolution in 1804, lasted up until Turkish offensive in 1814, than again reestablished in 1815 as christian dukedom in Turkey.


Vojvodina, also serbian for Dukedom was established in 1848 as award for Serb aliance to Austrians.

In 1912 Kosovo anda Metohija were liberated from Turkish occupation, and Vojvodina Voted to enter Serbia in 1918 after Austria collapse.
Vojvodina is 70% population Serbs.


53 posted on 12/05/2005 5:27:09 AM PST by kronos77 (Kosovo I Metohija - "Field of Blackbirds And Land of The Monastry" full ofitial name.)
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To: Hunden

‘Why do Western governments assume that the wishes of Republic of Srpska’s inhabitants are insufficient grounds for recognizing its independence, and that such a step requires also Sarajevo’s acquiescence?’

The Western assumption that Muslim Bosnia enjoys sovereign rights over Republic of Srpska, however, is as fictitious as the Western myth that democratic, civilized society based on human rights and rule of law can exist.”

Now that is more like it.


56 posted on 12/05/2005 6:32:04 PM PST by zagor-te-nej (USS - United States of Serbia)
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To: Verginius Rufus; A. Pole
Does “Kosova” have any meaning in Albanian? Or it is one more Serbian property stolen by Albanians?

Of the thirty-five churches and monasteries damaged and destroyed, the first was the church of Blessed Virgin of Ljevis in Prizren. It used to be a metropolitan seat of the Serbian Orthodox Church, granted numerous estates by King Milutin. Among its contributors stands the name of Pavle Kastriotic, Skenderbeg’s grandfather, who donated fifty florins and had estates comprising several villages in the Mata river valley.
57 posted on 12/05/2005 6:36:01 PM PST by zagor-te-nej (USS - United States of Serbia)
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To: Juliusz
a lot of Albanians are catholics

Most of Christian Albanians live outside of Kosovo in Albanian proper and yes in USA. They are much more civilized, law abiding and peaceful.

58 posted on 12/05/2005 6:43:50 PM PST by A. Pole (Mahatma Gandhi: "Truth stands, even if there be no public support. It is self-sustained.")
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To: Verginius Rufus; DTA
Stealing other people’s history is Croatian national sport. This is from the official site of Croat TV. It reads -”Famous Croats”.
#1 - Boskovic Rudjer – father Serb and mother Italian.
#11 – Marin: founder of San Marino.
#14 - Marco Polo.
#19 Ante Starcevic – father and mother Serbs; well they can keep him.
#21 Nikola Tesla Serb; Croats destroyed his museum, toppled down his monument. They burned house in which he was born and destroyed his village. Yet they named him Croat.

And so far and so on…
Croats don’t have much of history so they are forced to steal from people who have abundance of it.
59 posted on 12/05/2005 6:58:05 PM PST by zagor-te-nej (USS - United States of Serbia)
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To: Hunden

Yes, the very same constitution that made the break-up of Yugoslavia inevitable.


60 posted on 12/07/2005 3:02:01 PM PST by Banat ("You've got two empty 'alves of coconut, and you're banging 'em together!")
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