In Germany, Muslims grow apart

International Herald Tribune ^ | DECEMBER 2, 2005 | Peter Schneider

[Mount Athos]

On the night of Feb. 7 2005, Hatun Surucu, 23, was killed on her way to a bus stop in Berlin by several shots to the head and upper body, fired at point-blank range. An investigation showed that months before, she had reported one of her brothers to the police for threatening her.

Now three of her five brothers are on trial for murder. According to the prosecutor, the oldest of them, 25, acquired the weapon; the middle brother, 24, lured his sister to the scene of the crime; and the youngest, 18, shot her.[...]

Ayhan Surucu, the youngest brother, had confessed to the murder and claimed that he had done it without any help.

According to Seyran Ates, a lawyer of Turkish descent, it is generally the youngest who are chosen by a family council to carry out such murders, or to claim responsibility for them. German juvenile law sets a maximum sentence of 10 years' imprisonment for murder, and the offender has the prospect of being released after serving two-thirds of the sentence.

Hatun Surucu grew up in Berlin as the daughter of Turkish Kurds. When she finished eighth grade, her parents took her out of school. Shortly after that she was taken to Turkey and married to a cousin.

Later she separated from her husband and returned to Berlin, pregnant. At age 17 she gave birth to a son, Can. She moved into a women's shelter and completed the work for her middle-school certificate. By 2004 she had finished a vocational-training program to become an electrician.

The young mother began to enjoy herself. She put on makeup, wore her hair unbound, went dancing and adorned herself with rings, necklaces and bracelets.

Then, just days before she was to receive her journeyman's diploma, she was killed.

[The Cuban]

Ah! The future of Europe! Those women are going to dream of the good old days, when their biggest worry was being shown a sonogram prior to thier monthly abortions.

[coconutt2000]

Feminists should be on our side on the War on Terror. Instead they're out there fighting for the enemy who abuse, murder, and oppress women.

[DTwistedSisterS]

Religion of peace, eh?

[Talking_Mouse]

Feminists should be on our side on the War on Terror. Instead they're out there fighting for the enemy who abuse, murder, and oppress women.

Volgelsang points to the Imam Reza Mosque, whose home page, until a recent revision, praised the attacks of Sept. 11, designated women as second-class human beings and referred to gays and lesbians as animals.

"And that kind of thing," she says, fuming, "is still defended by the left in the name of religious freedom.

At least some of the women in Germany (admittedly ones who have fought their way out of the oppression of Islam, get it.

[goodnesswins]

Um...pray tell....did they all have the same daddy and mommy? And were they (the parents) first cousins?

[Mind-numbed Robot]

Are we foolish enough to think the same insular communities, centered around mosques, don't exist here?

[sarasmom]

What is this "feminist group" you think speaks for me?
I speak for myself.
And why do you think women need "a special group" to speak on behalf of women?
I thought we already had this "issue" about my right as a woman to participate freely in the USA as a full citizen resolved.
I have never met a woman of my generation or younger, who is, or even knows anyone who was, a member of the "National Organization for Women".
It's rather odd, and frankly insulting, that you, a few other people around here, and the MSM keep asking to hear from a "womens group" on various topics.
What "mens group" are you affiliated with?


Do you also think people like Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton are the unelected but official "voice" for every black citizen of the USA?

[calex59]

A little touchy aren't you? The people who talk about the feminist groups are not saying they should speak for american women, or any women for that matter. What they are refering to is the same feminist who bitch about how american women are so beat down stand up, and speak up, for muslims to do what they wish to their women. They are two faced scum bags and that is the point, not the point you think they were making.

Where in their posts do you see any reference to the fact they think women's groups should speak for american women?

OTH, if you think muslim women don't need help and should have everyone in the US and other coutries speaking up for them and forcing the muslims living in western coutries to treat their women as people instead of some kind of domestic animal then I suggest you look inside yourself and see why you think these oppressed women don't need help.

[Windsong]

DU is just down the hall..first door on the left.

[Mon]

post to self

[Dallas59]

Dark...really dark....but very apt.

[Humidston]

Very interesting to see how far Germany has painted herself into a corner.

Those people are like fire ants... They breed fast and they're quick to attack.

[sarasmom]

You are so far out in left field, that I have no idea how to answer your post!

Are you opining that I should be wasting my time trying to convince Islamic females not to be willing participants in an immoral society?

What are you doing to convince Islamic men that they are completely wrong in their never ending quest to kill everyone who is not also Islamic?

[sarasmom]

It must suck to be you!
You don't offer any reasoned opinion on the topic that is of any use, but feel compelled to render one, nonetheless.
Hey, Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, and return to your hive.

[Cruz]

The Germans burned and chased away millions of Jews and replaced them with millions of muslims.

[tkathy]

The demonic family dynamics of these people must be partly responsible for the monsters they are turning out.

Brothers brought up to murder and hate their sisters and mothers.

Women in mortal fear of their fathers, brother, husbands and even sons. Wherever the death cult goes, they bring misery and mayhem with them.

[The Cuban]

Thanks!

[calex59]

Actually I was rather pissed when I wrote that and worded it wrong, mispelled some things and had the wrong tense on others. I was saying that people are not wanting feminist to speak for you, but rather to speak out against muslims and their treatment of women. There, that is all I meant to say, sorry if I implied anything else. Have a great day.

[Brilliant]

"Ayhan Surucu, the youngest brother, had confessed to the murder and claimed that he had done it without any help."



He'll be back on the street in less than a year.