Posted on 12/02/2005 1:03:49 PM PST by RWR8189
Sam we NEED a FOX type media channel in Canada. The problem is the Government CONTROLS the media. I wonder how many people actually stop to THINK about that. These "journalists" are NOT purveyors of truth, they simply Government mouthpieces. It amazes me how many WILL NOT THINK FOR THEMSELVES.
I think Martin is uncomfortable. I haven't been able to watch C-SPAN as I'm at work but hopefully I will get other chances. I did hear a clip of Martin on the radio this afternoon. Same tired old message.
Voter turnout for 2004 was 60.5%.
According to your numbers, that would be 20,830,200 voters,
and 8, 576,000 immigrants.They vote en mass, and in blocs.
According to your math, they carry almost 1/2 the vote.
If you have any evidence to the contrary, fire up. Otherwise, please fall silent. An argument must be backed by evidences.
No, an argument must be backed by facts.
Perhaps having a Conservative party to vote for would help. The Conservative party imploded in the 1992 election and it has taken 12 years to rebuild . Canada and Ontario, your example , prior to 2004 had 2 conservative seats and Ontario had one Reform seat . After 2004 Ontario alone had 24 Conservative seats. Those 21 did not magically appear. I'm not going to bother but there were also many seats that went Liberal rather than Conservative on less than 500 votes. In the 1988 election Ontario had 46 Conservative seats ( libs had 43 ,ndp,10). To say lately, you're likely right.. What ever "lately" means,
btw, that vote rich Windsor- Toronto-Ottawa Triangle you may have heard about . That phrase sounds so knowledgeable , dotcha think ? It's almost a straight line , 500 miles long. Not much of a triangle.
All I know is if this country goes liberal ONE MORE TIME, it is finished as a country. These Liberals are totally hard core socialists. They are endemically CORRUPT. I seriously question the sanity of ANYONE who could vote for people they KNOW are criminally corrupt.
The figure I stated was the best possible case for Anglophone who voted conservatives - assuming all immigrants voted in the same proportion as native Anglophones.
In fact the rtuth could well be even more against you - less than a majority of immigrants bother to vote and this is the norm across all Western countries. Dad has a good friend in Markham who halped organize a Chinese Liberal MLA candidate win an election in 2003 (I should stress I disagree with his politics but it ia anotehr matter). At that time it was only after a struggle that 40% of Chinese bothered to vote. If we assume fewer immigrants in proportion voted and more than a majority of native Anglophones voted - this works here in NZ - then it is obviously much more than 36% of Anglophones voted the Left. The answer could well be like 45% to 31.5%, we don't know.
Sorry, it looks like the facts seem to stack more against you.
The thoughts on Red Tory-ism are interesting. I suppose that's why so many Canadians who seem so conservative on the outside (tradition, religion, manners to the max, etc.) are far from it inside.
Bottom line...veering from a belief in individual responsibility is a death knell for true conservatism and Canada is a good study in that.
Please post some links to your 'facts'.
Here are mine.....
and
the numbers you offered as Canada's 'immigrant ' population.
These are the figures you put out to make your argument.
You didn't respond to my point: 60.5% of voters came out to vote in 2004. Did the native Anglophones turn out at the same, higher, or lower rate as the immigrant voters??
You can twist it anyway you want. The fact is they were Provincial Conservative governments .
Pro-free market and pro-personal responsibility which defines what conservatism stands for
HuH! Excuse me but that is Liberalism . Liberals want individual rights, legal equality , freedom of choice and democratic government all of which are pro responsibility . As are free markets . Conservatives do not want the unrestricted operations of a free market , they value stability in the market and the stability in the institutions of society .
And I'm not your mate You've expressed hatred toward and a desire to see my country destroyed. You really , really would not want to meet me.
Sorry mate. If you believe such stance constitutes neoliberalism in your definition then I unashamedly wear the neoliberal label with honour. My ideological hero is Sir Roger Douglas rather than John Diefenbaker.
I do NOT think this election is unpopular. The liberal media only wants Canadians to think it is unpopular, perhaps because they have to put on their heavy coats and pants and follow the politicians around.
I have finally (I think) gotten the chance to breathe and to check FR this weekend. Sorry I've missed a lot. I am exhausted after starting as a reporter with the local newspaper... and all my family appears to be getting sick.
Look...an election in bad weather favors people who actually care.
Like those who want to kick the corrupt people out, LOL!
That wasn't your point.
This was your point:
but in the last election the Liberal Party and New Democratic Party combined got 62.76% of votes
I'm still waiting for the links to your 'facts'.
Hi.
:-)
Have you read the thread?
Well, let me congratulate you all on your hilarious sense of humor. I'm still slapping my knee as I write this, because I just can't stop laughing at your belittlement of Canada. *rolls eyes*
Look, I have had to live in the hotbed of anti-Americanism for a very long time. I could go on, but I won't.
But sometimes I get sick and tired of people on FR who make fun (easy jokes, I know) of Canada. I know people here, but I would die in the country I was born in, and the one I still think is the best country in the world, in a heartbeat (and they know that), but we have respectful differences of opinion.
Enough, already, with the stupid anti-Canadian jokes.
or maybe I'm just tired. And sick of all the bitterness between these two countries. I"m tired of defending Canada to my friends and family back home, and I'm certainly tired of defending the U.S. to .. basically everyone here that hates George Bush and everyone who voted for him.
Look people, the U.S. and Canada have far more in common than probably either country would like to admit. So deal with it.
This is from Election Canada's official tally of results. It is official results so you can't argue with it.
http://www.elections.ca/scripts/OVR2004/23/table9.html
Now go back to the topic: in what ways do you assert more Anglophones in proportion voted conservative than liberals? No matter how you spin it, more people voted Left than Right.
Sometimes a joke may hurt simply because it reveals a bit too true about reality.
Hi, fanfan,
I'm so tired, please see my latest post, which took all my energy. I really hate how people on FR just make easy jokes about Canadians.
I just started full time work after 20 years...I can't keep up with FR anymore.
But there is nothing more that makes me mad than unfairness, you know?
Okay, my eyelids have told me that they have about a ten minute window, FRiend. :) I shall do my best to respond shortly to any post to me.
Take care, fanfan. :)
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