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To: wideawake
That's an amazing statement. ...informing their congregations about the persecutions over there

Would you mind actually reading my statements? If you would bother to go back and read what I wrote, you would see that I said I wasn't aware that there were any Christian churches, state registered or not. I was not aware that ANY Christian churches were allowed.

Yes, absolutely, I am aware of the persecution of Christians in China. Our Sunday morning bible study class is sponsoring a missionary couple in China, and we know, first hand, about the persecution.

Now, what's so amazing about me not knowing that there were any churches that were openly allowed by the Chinese government?

he started by advocating that Christians apostatize

Uh, no. He was deceived into making a statement that was incorrect. He erred. He was wrong.

he responded by saying "Um, I have no opinion any more. Not my role. Do what you want."

Uh, no. He responding by saying he regretting calling for the churches to register, and he shouldn't have done so.

But someone who, in effect, says that it doesn't matter to him one way or another if the Chinese government persecutes Christians - well grace may be free, but it is not cheap.

You are absolutely putting words in his mouth. That's not what he said at all. It's funny that you're the only one on this thread who believes that this was his intent.

He messed up, he fessed up. That's what Christians do. Maybe you've got some other agenda and you just see this as your opportunity to slam this man of God.

I guess, I'll probably be next. Fine, whatever.
26 posted on 12/02/2005 8:07:07 AM PST by Texas2step (<><)
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To: Texas2step
Now, what's so amazing about me not knowing that there were any churches that were openly allowed by the Chinese government?

Because one of the key features of the Chinese persecution is that the Chinese government says it permits Christianity by allowing the official front churches while ruthlessly persecuting Christians who refuse to submit to communism.

Every single persecuted Christian has been presented with the decision: "Either submit to the state church or go to prison."

It is an essential feature of the Chinese government's persecution and it has been for more than 40 years.

He responding by saying he regretting calling for the churches to register, and he shouldn't have done so.

That's a half-truth. He starting by saying that Christians should submit, and he ended by saying that he shouldn't have said it because it wasn't "his role."

Wrong! He shouldn't have said it because he should have said the exact opposite! He should have spoken up for the oppressed Christians of China.

Instead of doing the right thing, he washes his hands and says "not my role."

Maybe you've got some other agenda and you just see this as your opportunity to slam this man of God.

Nice headfake.

The question here is precisely whether or not he is a man of God or a fame-obsessed showman.

29 posted on 12/02/2005 8:15:55 AM PST by wideawake
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