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Liberals have flip-flopped more times on the environment than John Kerry has changed his tune on Iraq. Where they once warned about global warming, they are now warning about global cooling! Break out those parkas; its going to get to the point of freezing soon. Rush's point here is the issue has nothing to do with science and everything to do with the politics of the moment.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie.Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

1 posted on 12/01/2005 4:33:30 PM PST by goldstategop
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Women and minorities to be hardest hit.
;-)


2 posted on 12/01/2005 4:37:32 PM PST by SIDENET ("IT'S A COOKBOOK!!!")
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I feel cold, and it is only December the first, oh well, the flip flopper's must be right, or are they left?
3 posted on 12/01/2005 4:37:57 PM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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What's most interesting about the slowing of the Gulf Stream is that folks have been working on how it happens since the 1960s ~ just about the time they finally agreed that the continents regularly break up and come back together (over millions of years).

This was not new news. It may have escaped the attention of the leftwing elites (and Rush Limbaugh as well), but it's not recent stuff.

What is surprising is that the information presently available says that it may happen a little sooner than anyone thought ~ like this year, or next, and Europe might go back into the freezer ~ which is, in fact, a NORMAL CONDITION.

We are still in an Ice Age ~ a particularly nasty one ~ and the interglacials are of relatively short duration. A current theory is that the greenhouse gases we've produced through development of agriculture have been staving off the start of the next one. The worry here is that this reglaciation of Europe might trigger a headlong plunge of the whole planet out of its present Interglacial irrespective of greenhouse gas levels.

Do you know what this is going to do to real estate prices in the Americas and Africa? There are nearly 400,000,000 people who presently live in the affected area. They'll be coming to a neighborhood near you!

Oh, yes, they are armed with nukes and will be particularly dangerous. So be sweet.

4 posted on 12/01/2005 4:41:36 PM PST by muawiyah (u)
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I really love this. I have been seeing bits and pieces of this story coming out now for the past couple months and what I especially liked was the Discovery channel mini-ice age "docu-drama."

Global Warming or Global Ice age. You can't have it both ways.

What I expecially liked about the Discover Channel program was the statement of fact that in the 1600 to late 1800's we had one of the coldest earth temperatures on record.

But wait.....isn't the basis for all the global warming arguments that we know there is global warming, because things are hotter now than they were in the late 1800's prior to the industrial revolution....... Can't have it both ways.

I wonder if Al Gore will issue a retraction on his predictions... Hah....

5 posted on 12/01/2005 4:42:57 PM PST by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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Well, one point Rush doesn't pick up is that sea ice is mostly fresh water, with only a little trapped salt. As one article explains, "When sea ice forms, some of the salt in the ocean water is trapped in small pockets between the ice crystals; however, most of it is "ejected" into the ocean below."

So when sea ice melts, it melts as fresh water, or nearly so.

Otherwise, I would say that sure, there are likely big changes afoot in the ocean and currents shifting and changing, but it has nothing much to do with human effluents into the atmosphere. It stands to reason that an ocean current would fluctuate naturally and cause weather changes on the adjacent lands.


6 posted on 12/01/2005 4:43:04 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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This is going to kill the clothing and fashion industry. Nobody will know whether to buy summer or winter clothing.


7 posted on 12/01/2005 4:44:25 PM PST by RTINSC (What, Me Worry?..My company offers French benefits...)
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And let's not forget that global warming has been sped up by the demise of Communism. You see, when all of the Eastern European countries were belching out all the black soot into the environment that they could, it was a good thing. More particulates in the air, the more warming rays of the sun were blocked from the earth's surface. Then the capitalists cleaned things up, putting LESS pollution into the air, so now MORE of the sun gets through and INCREASES global warming. So, the rationale of the environmentalist is - capitalist pollution is BAD! - communist pollution is GOOD!


8 posted on 12/01/2005 4:49:07 PM PST by GLDNGUN
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I'm so conflicted! I don't know whether to worry about freezing in the dark or baking in a puddle of boiling sweat!!

Maybe I'll just take a hot bath instead and then go watch somebody beat up Alan Colmes again. Yeah. That's it.

9 posted on 12/01/2005 4:55:19 PM PST by Gritty ("The one GOP congressman who did not offer to have sex with John Murtha was Jean Schmidt-Ann Coulter)
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Okay... let me get this straight.

Global warming is causing/will cause a mini-ice age in Europe.

The reason for this is that glaciers and ice-caps have been melting, and the salinity of the ocean is being changed. This affects the warm Gulf Stream that is responsible for the warmer than otherwise climate in Europe.

So, if Europe gets colder, the glaciers and ice-caps in the northern portion of the globe will not melt as fast, and the Gulf stream should be back to its normal strength and volume again.

What are these liberals complaining about? This system has a feed-back loop to fix things right.

10 posted on 12/01/2005 4:56:11 PM PST by Frohickey
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Had a bit of a cold snap here last night

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12 posted on 12/01/2005 5:06:13 PM PST by digger48
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The big thing about this issue is that it IS IN NO WAY caused by humans. This shifting of the jet-stream has been seen before in history. In the Middle ages a mini ice age hit Europe causing diseases to thrive, ultimately leading to the great plague which wiped out Europe. But wait thats not possible because there were no cars back then to cause global warming. Oops my fault.


13 posted on 12/01/2005 5:11:43 PM PST by Seven Minute Maniac
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It is a good thing, then, that Frenchmen are learning how to build a good fire.


15 posted on 12/01/2005 5:21:56 PM PST by Mamzelle (evopompous#3--Your source is scientifically illiterate.)
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Hope everyone has read Michael Crichton's book on this subject. It is a must read!


20 posted on 12/01/2005 5:30:57 PM PST by ladyinred (RIP dear Texas Cowboy, you will be missed.)
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Didn't they try this crap in the very late 70's/early 80's? "Nuclear winter" so some garbage?


21 posted on 12/01/2005 5:37:59 PM PST by retrokitten (www.retrosrants.blogspot.com)
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In a nutshell, they are saying that global warming may cause a cooling of northern Europe in particular, and the northern latitudes in general, which will then trigger a global cooling. The theory has some merit, but it misses the heart of the issue.

The real debate should be whether or not Man has anything to do with the lurking ice age or the global warming that may trigger it. My personal beliefs are that Man's agricultural behavior over the last few millenia has caused higher temperatures, that we may have postponed the inevitable ice age for a little while, and that industry may or may not be adding to the warming.

Our fault or not, we better get used to the idea of an ice age. The aggressive races/cultures/nations will position themselves to have control of the regions with the best climates, and will dominate the new world. I hope western culture has the will to be there.
23 posted on 12/01/2005 5:57:53 PM PST by Born to Conserve
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I'm still waiting for the leftists to explain how come there was global warming as long ago as 55 million years ago and global warming on Mars that is causing the Martian Polar Caps to melt - especially in light of the fact that neither event involves humans, fossil fuels or SUVs.

Could be a long wait.


24 posted on 12/01/2005 6:00:15 PM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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On the bright side ... the Northwest Passage is open again:


25 posted on 12/01/2005 6:12:14 PM PST by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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We've had ice ages. If you're in France, don't worry about it. You can burn cars! You've got all kinds of cars in France you can burn to stay warm.

See, those muzzies knew what to do!

27 posted on 12/01/2005 7:10:56 PM PST by rock_lobsta
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So it it true! GLOBAL WARMING WILL FREEZE US ALL!


28 posted on 12/01/2005 7:34:36 PM PST by Hawk1976 ("Vote for us, you backwards, slack-jawed, inbred, knuckle-dragging fascists!"-DU)
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Back in the 1970s the book The Population Bomb predicted we would all die of starvation by the year 2000 if nuclear winter didn't kill us first.
29 posted on 12/01/2005 7:36:30 PM PST by The Great RJ ("Mir wölle bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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