Posted on 12/01/2005 4:33:26 PM PST by goldstategop
I read a book published in 1957 ("Physics of the Solar System"?) that had a chapter about Venus. The author said that surface temperature on Venus was very high because of all the C02 in it's atmosphere. He pointed out that increased use of hydrocarbon fuels might have a similar (if smaller) effect on Earth. Global warming is not a new theory from the 1980's.
That said, the issue had become hopelessly politicized, it has become a cugdel in the hands of the new-Luddites and their allies in the lamestream.
Depending on how advanced your technology, you can grow crops anywhere. Israel grows food in the middle of a desert.
Your comments sound like you have read quite a bit on this topic.
My understanding of what I have read was that one of the critical aspects of global warming was that the sea level was going to increase because glaciers and the polar ice caps would melt. In fact a local activist/wacko City Council painted projected new sea-levels markers on bridges and building to try to shock the public into getting on the global warming bandwagon and demanding that the Kyoto Treaty be signed.
If as you say the poles get colder and the tropics warmer how can that change the ocean level? Were the local politicians and their scientific advisors misinformed? Am I missing something, such as large quantities of mountain glaciers in the tropics that will free all their water? Or perhaps with the colder north and warmer tropics precipitation in the polar regions will be reduced and levels of snowpack and glaciers will decline?
Thank you for you comments.
That was from the misinformed Warming model where the rise in temperature was uniform around the world and maybe even larger at the poles. This of course can and has happened but only between Ice Ages not during an interglacial period such as we have now.
When it is really cold there isn't much snow (less water evaporation), during the last Glacial advances there were no glaciers bounding the Arctic Ocean in North America and the glaciers advanced south out of Quebec.
What is/can happening is much more complicated as to cause and effect than the Greenies let on. If the Gulfstream is indeed shutting down then Europe is heading for a Continental Climate which at that latitude can be brutal (Paris France is at about the latitude of Gander, Newfoundland with London and Berlin farther north).
Don't you know nuthin? it was caused by all of those peat fires they had going to keep them warm!
Thank you. Yes, while Europe would be a concern regarding brutal weather, I would be more concerned about agriculture in Canada, Russia, China, Argentina, and Austrialia and what massive crop failures there would do to geopolitical stability.
Does this mean that all the talk about Florida, certain Pacific Islands, parts of the Indian subcontinent and parts of Asia being flooded is just so much "greenie rubish?"
One last question, if I may. Does the new and improved understanding of climate fluctuations, mean that the arguments regarding higher world temperatures since the start of the industrial revolution, therefore constitute proof that there is "global warming?" Or is the concept of naturally occuring climate change been been distorted for environmental/political purposes?
Thank you.
There lies the questions of the ages, it is getting warmer (on average) as compared to the time before 1850 which coincides with the start of the Industrial Revolution. But the year 1850 also denotes the end of a period called the Little Ice Age (about 1310-1850) where Global temperatures seem to have been somewhat lower than previously or since so who is to say as to what the root cause of that warming, is man made or cyclical.
Sadly there are those who for political or monetary (and believe it great sums are involved) reasons will attach the evils of Capitalism (or some other ism) to a naturally occurring event. It seems at times that a new religion is forming that answers all climate questions "with man is bad".
To get a good idea what I feel is going on politically in this matter read "State of Fear" by Michael Chrichton.
Hmmmmmm......I have heard something like this before......
Jean-Jacques Rousseau "....contended that man is essentially good, a "noble savage" when in the "state of nature" (the state of all the other animals, and the condition man was in before the creation of civilization and society), and that good people are made unhappy and corrupted by their experiences in society. He viewed society as "artificial" and "corrupt" and that the furthering of society results in the continuing unhappiness of man."
"...Rousseau was one of the first modern writers to seriously attack the institution of private property, and therefore is considered a forebear of modern socialism and Communism (see Karl Marx). Rousseau also questioned the assumption that the will of the majority is always correct. He argued that the goal of government should be to secure freedom, equality, and justice for all within the state, regardless of the will of the majority."
Yes, this is all starting to come together......Hmmmmmm
Today's Greenies would have Africans sicken and starve rather give them the means to electricity and clean water all under the name of sustainability. A few summers back there was a big environmental meeting hosted by South Africa. The "Environmentalists" feasted and drank the best of food and liquor blaming America for it's alleged raping of the planet while indigenous small farmers and rural poor looked in from the outside begging for help that would not come from this group.
"Now, I have another question -- and look, I'm not a scientist, so I'm not afraid to ask what some of you scientists might think are dumb questions, but if an iceberg at the North Pole is freshwater, I want to know where it was made and how it got there. How can an iceberg in ocean water be freshwater? I understand how it can rain freshwater over the ocean because the whole evaporation process and condensation process actually distills it, but I don't understand how an iceberg can be freshwater."
Answer: Icebergs come from snow building up to form glaciers, which flow to the sea and calf icebergs.
He's right about one thing though, he's not a scientist.
Same thing with the Arctic Ocean Ice Cap, it formed from freashwater snowfall, not from salty ocean water.
MONTREAL (Reuters) - Rising seas have forced 100 people on a Pacific island to move to higher ground in what may be the first example of a village formally displaced because of modern global warming, a U.N. report said on Monday.
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