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1 posted on 12/01/2005 1:49:25 PM PST by Graybeard58
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2 posted on 12/01/2005 2:02:19 PM PST by gubamyster
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To: nicmarlo

Ping to post 1.


3 posted on 12/01/2005 2:03:42 PM PST by Borax Queen
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To: Graybeard58
"The American people should not have to choose between being a welcoming society and a lawful society," he said Monday at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base in Tucson, Ariz. "We can have both at the same time."

Therein is the big lie. We can have both. But not according to Bush. It's either the law or welcoming. So far, he has welcomed every illegal from south of the border instead of the law.

4 posted on 12/01/2005 2:05:53 PM PST by raybbr
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To: Graybeard58
When George W. Bush spoke out for immigration reform early this week, he probably knew he was reaching into a hornet's nest.

One that he could have easily avoided by making his proposal be available only to people who are not in the country illegally. Even if (for whatever demented reason) he still has his sights on offering the program to illegals as well, there's no credibly legitimate reason why he can't postpone that goal for the sake of implementing a guest-worker program that far more people would be willing to sign on to. At least that would move things forward. But he just won't give in.

I know that his critics often get accused of being unappeasable, but it's his insane refusal to let go of amnesty for illegals - the one thing that's holding everything up in all this, and the least popular aspect of anybody's proposals - that makes him the most unappeasable of us all.

5 posted on 12/01/2005 2:14:04 PM PST by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: Graybeard58

How 'bout we invade Mexico and just take it over? We'll fence off Mexico's southern border, get rid of all the corrupt politicians and cops, throw all gang members in prison, put teachers in Mexico...they have oil, right? *wink*


6 posted on 12/01/2005 2:20:26 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Graybeard58
Republicans divide roughly into three camps:

a hard-line, antiimmigration camp;

a pro- business camp, which welcomes the influx of cheap labor; and

a group in the middle that is not sure what to think

All three groups, so described, are morons.

How about:

* A pro-immigration, anti-illegal camp who believes legal immigration is a boon to the country and should be streamlined (reduce paperwork delays and snafus that last for years) and increased under certain programs (some with citizen track, some not), but that illegal immigration is bad for everyone (except the cheap labor cheats who should bear the brunt of a crackdown) and needs to be stomped, period.

7 posted on 12/01/2005 2:24:32 PM PST by JohnnyZ (Veterans' Day. Enough said.)
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"The hard-line wing of the GOP represents roughly one-quarter of the party,"

And 80% of the public.


8 posted on 12/01/2005 2:33:44 PM PST by Shermy
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To: Graybeard58
if Bush is able to thread the needle with Congress on a plan that achieves both of his goals - enhanced border enforcement

Fat chance!

plus a temporary-worker program that deals with the millions of illegal immigrants already in the US - it could be his "Nixon in China" moment, analysts say.

Or it could be his Clinton and Monica moment. He's already had his LBJ drug plan moment.

as a usually conservative president, Bush

Oh, please! That dog don't hunt.

Republicans divide roughly into three camps: a hard-line, anti-ILLEGAL immigration camp; a pro-business camp, which welcomes the influx of cheap illegal labor; and a group in the middle that is not sure what to think and could be swayed by a strong, sustained push by the president doesn't think, says Tamar Jacoby, an immigration expert at the Manhattan Institute think tank.

9 posted on 12/01/2005 2:41:05 PM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: Graybeard58

http://www.govexec.com/story_page.cfm?articleid=32885&dcn=e_gvet


11 posted on 12/01/2005 3:04:15 PM PST by SC33
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To: Graybeard58

Propoganda piece for a "complete" border control, guest worker, amnesty deal.


19 posted on 12/01/2005 7:14:05 PM PST by rmlew (Sedition and Treason are both crimes, not free speech.)
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To: Graybeard58

The posting so far pretty much proves out the theme of the story.


20 posted on 12/01/2005 7:15:31 PM PST by CWOJackson (michael savage: the white trash alternative to talk radio)
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To: Graybeard58
When George W. Bush spoke out for immigration reform early this week, he probably knew he was reaching into a hornet's nest.

The hornet's nest is the destruction Bush has brought upon the American people by bringing in 20 million Mexicans for us to take care of. He is by far the worst president we have ever had in office, bar none.

He will go down in history as the president destroyed America to bring on his nightmare of a new world order. Make no mistake about it, Bush is a liar when he talks about willing workers. What a sham! Are the 18 children of each illegal Mexican willing workers? Who is paying the bills for them while they are taking up residence in America? We are and will continue to do so, while all the jobs will be taken from citizens and given to these willing workers for half the salary. What a joke Bush is.

27 posted on 12/02/2005 1:35:01 PM PST by swampfox98 (I like treason too. That's why I vote Republican.)
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