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The fractious politics of immigration
Christian Science Monitor ^ | December 01, 2005 | Linda Feldmann

Posted on 12/01/2005 1:49:24 PM PST by Graybeard58

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1 posted on 12/01/2005 1:49:25 PM PST by Graybeard58
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2 posted on 12/01/2005 2:02:19 PM PST by gubamyster
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To: nicmarlo

Ping to post 1.


3 posted on 12/01/2005 2:03:42 PM PST by Borax Queen
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To: Graybeard58
"The American people should not have to choose between being a welcoming society and a lawful society," he said Monday at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base in Tucson, Ariz. "We can have both at the same time."

Therein is the big lie. We can have both. But not according to Bush. It's either the law or welcoming. So far, he has welcomed every illegal from south of the border instead of the law.

4 posted on 12/01/2005 2:05:53 PM PST by raybbr
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To: Graybeard58
When George W. Bush spoke out for immigration reform early this week, he probably knew he was reaching into a hornet's nest.

One that he could have easily avoided by making his proposal be available only to people who are not in the country illegally. Even if (for whatever demented reason) he still has his sights on offering the program to illegals as well, there's no credibly legitimate reason why he can't postpone that goal for the sake of implementing a guest-worker program that far more people would be willing to sign on to. At least that would move things forward. But he just won't give in.

I know that his critics often get accused of being unappeasable, but it's his insane refusal to let go of amnesty for illegals - the one thing that's holding everything up in all this, and the least popular aspect of anybody's proposals - that makes him the most unappeasable of us all.

5 posted on 12/01/2005 2:14:04 PM PST by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: Graybeard58

How 'bout we invade Mexico and just take it over? We'll fence off Mexico's southern border, get rid of all the corrupt politicians and cops, throw all gang members in prison, put teachers in Mexico...they have oil, right? *wink*


6 posted on 12/01/2005 2:20:26 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Graybeard58
Republicans divide roughly into three camps:

a hard-line, antiimmigration camp;

a pro- business camp, which welcomes the influx of cheap labor; and

a group in the middle that is not sure what to think

All three groups, so described, are morons.

How about:

* A pro-immigration, anti-illegal camp who believes legal immigration is a boon to the country and should be streamlined (reduce paperwork delays and snafus that last for years) and increased under certain programs (some with citizen track, some not), but that illegal immigration is bad for everyone (except the cheap labor cheats who should bear the brunt of a crackdown) and needs to be stomped, period.

7 posted on 12/01/2005 2:24:32 PM PST by JohnnyZ (Veterans' Day. Enough said.)
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To: Graybeard58

"The hard-line wing of the GOP represents roughly one-quarter of the party,"

And 80% of the public.


8 posted on 12/01/2005 2:33:44 PM PST by Shermy
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To: Graybeard58
if Bush is able to thread the needle with Congress on a plan that achieves both of his goals - enhanced border enforcement

Fat chance!

plus a temporary-worker program that deals with the millions of illegal immigrants already in the US - it could be his "Nixon in China" moment, analysts say.

Or it could be his Clinton and Monica moment. He's already had his LBJ drug plan moment.

as a usually conservative president, Bush

Oh, please! That dog don't hunt.

Republicans divide roughly into three camps: a hard-line, anti-ILLEGAL immigration camp; a pro-business camp, which welcomes the influx of cheap illegal labor; and a group in the middle that is not sure what to think and could be swayed by a strong, sustained push by the president doesn't think, says Tamar Jacoby, an immigration expert at the Manhattan Institute think tank.

9 posted on 12/01/2005 2:41:05 PM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: gubamyster

Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Support our Minutemen Patriots!

Be Ever Vigilant ~ Bump!


10 posted on 12/01/2005 2:55:19 PM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Graybeard58

http://www.govexec.com/story_page.cfm?articleid=32885&dcn=e_gvet


11 posted on 12/01/2005 3:04:15 PM PST by SC33
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Fat chance!

Are you sure? I can see this stuff passing through Congress with a coalition of Chamber of Commerce Republicans and generally traitorous Democrats. To get the Democrats on board they will need to make the amnesty and path to citizenship a little more robust. And they will probably need to back off some on the enforcement too but that won't bother the open borders Republicans much as they don't have any intention of actually enforcing that stuff anyway. That scenario terrifies me. I think that something nasty like this coming out of the Senate is almost a certainty. There are a lot of good conservatives in the House that would really fight it but the House leadership (Hastert and Dreier) both favor this type of solution so I can imagine them along with a little arm twisting from the White House allowing a good House enforcement only bill to be ruined in the House/Senate Reconciliation Committee. We'll be told to shut-up and support the "Grand Compromise".

I'm not saying it is a certainty but I think it is within the realm of possibility.

12 posted on 12/01/2005 3:27:41 PM PST by jackbenimble (Import the third world, become the third world)
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To: sageb1
How 'bout we invade Mexico and just take it over? We'll fence off Mexico's southern border, get rid of all the corrupt politicians and cops, throw all gang members in prison

Why wouldn't we just do that here?

13 posted on 12/01/2005 3:31:21 PM PST by Jigsaw John
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To: jackbenimble

Not sure if you are responding to me or another poster(I think you may be replying to post 9), but i agree with what you saying. I would never count out the business lobby and the Dems to sell out America.


14 posted on 12/01/2005 3:34:50 PM PST by SC33
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To: SC33

Sorry, I was responding to Post #9. I'm not quite sure how I screwed up.


15 posted on 12/01/2005 3:38:55 PM PST by jackbenimble (Import the third world, become the third world)
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To: Jigsaw John

Good point. I was just trying to be "inclusive." ;-)


16 posted on 12/01/2005 4:51:23 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: gubamyster

What a load, immigration reform could be a uniter issue if only the 1 percent lobbyist group for the ethnic hustler big business axis of evil woul be told to shove it.


17 posted on 12/01/2005 5:22:39 PM PST by junta (It's Jihad stupid! Or why should I tolerate those who hate me?)
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To: sageb1

It's easier to let them invade us.


18 posted on 12/01/2005 6:46:10 PM PST by Pelham
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To: Graybeard58

Propoganda piece for a "complete" border control, guest worker, amnesty deal.


19 posted on 12/01/2005 7:14:05 PM PST by rmlew (Sedition and Treason are both crimes, not free speech.)
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To: Graybeard58

The posting so far pretty much proves out the theme of the story.


20 posted on 12/01/2005 7:15:31 PM PST by CWOJackson (michael savage: the white trash alternative to talk radio)
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