Posted on 12/01/2005 1:49:24 PM PST by Graybeard58
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Ping to post 1.
Therein is the big lie. We can have both. But not according to Bush. It's either the law or welcoming. So far, he has welcomed every illegal from south of the border instead of the law.
One that he could have easily avoided by making his proposal be available only to people who are not in the country illegally. Even if (for whatever demented reason) he still has his sights on offering the program to illegals as well, there's no credibly legitimate reason why he can't postpone that goal for the sake of implementing a guest-worker program that far more people would be willing to sign on to. At least that would move things forward. But he just won't give in.
I know that his critics often get accused of being unappeasable, but it's his insane refusal to let go of amnesty for illegals - the one thing that's holding everything up in all this, and the least popular aspect of anybody's proposals - that makes him the most unappeasable of us all.
How 'bout we invade Mexico and just take it over? We'll fence off Mexico's southern border, get rid of all the corrupt politicians and cops, throw all gang members in prison, put teachers in Mexico...they have oil, right? *wink*
All three groups, so described, are morons.
How about:
* A pro-immigration, anti-illegal camp who believes legal immigration is a boon to the country and should be streamlined (reduce paperwork delays and snafus that last for years) and increased under certain programs (some with citizen track, some not), but that illegal immigration is bad for everyone (except the cheap labor cheats who should bear the brunt of a crackdown) and needs to be stomped, period.
"The hard-line wing of the GOP represents roughly one-quarter of the party,"
And 80% of the public.
Fat chance!
plus a temporary-worker program that deals with the millions of illegal immigrants already in the US - it could be his "Nixon in China" moment, analysts say.
Or it could be his Clinton and Monica moment. He's already had his LBJ drug plan moment.
as a usually conservative president, Bush
Oh, please! That dog don't hunt.
Republicans divide roughly into three camps: a hard-line, anti-ILLEGAL immigration camp; a pro-business camp, which welcomes the influx of cheap illegal labor; and a group in the middle that is not sure what to think and could be swayed by a strong, sustained push by the president doesn't think, says Tamar Jacoby, an immigration expert at the Manhattan Institute think tank.
Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!
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Are you sure? I can see this stuff passing through Congress with a coalition of Chamber of Commerce Republicans and generally traitorous Democrats. To get the Democrats on board they will need to make the amnesty and path to citizenship a little more robust. And they will probably need to back off some on the enforcement too but that won't bother the open borders Republicans much as they don't have any intention of actually enforcing that stuff anyway. That scenario terrifies me. I think that something nasty like this coming out of the Senate is almost a certainty. There are a lot of good conservatives in the House that would really fight it but the House leadership (Hastert and Dreier) both favor this type of solution so I can imagine them along with a little arm twisting from the White House allowing a good House enforcement only bill to be ruined in the House/Senate Reconciliation Committee. We'll be told to shut-up and support the "Grand Compromise".
I'm not saying it is a certainty but I think it is within the realm of possibility.
Why wouldn't we just do that here?
Not sure if you are responding to me or another poster(I think you may be replying to post 9), but i agree with what you saying. I would never count out the business lobby and the Dems to sell out America.
Sorry, I was responding to Post #9. I'm not quite sure how I screwed up.
Good point. I was just trying to be "inclusive." ;-)
What a load, immigration reform could be a uniter issue if only the 1 percent lobbyist group for the ethnic hustler big business axis of evil woul be told to shove it.
It's easier to let them invade us.
Propoganda piece for a "complete" border control, guest worker, amnesty deal.
The posting so far pretty much proves out the theme of the story.
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