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The little yellow god. Even at $500, it's still a barbarous relic
The Economist ^ | Dec 1st 2005 | Unsigned

Posted on 12/01/2005 10:40:52 AM PST by .cnI redruM

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To: .cnI redruM

Does gold as a monetary standard terrify so-called "economists" so much because it provides a currency whose value cannot be manipulated for political ends?

Is that the real reason?


21 posted on 12/01/2005 10:56:50 AM PST by Redbob
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To: .cnI redruM

So....time to buy puts with a $450 strike?


22 posted on 12/01/2005 10:57:57 AM PST by Ignatz (I misunderstood you correctly the first time.)
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To: flashbunny
The government can't just create more gold if they need it to pay off debts, unlike when they have a fiat currency when they can tell the Bureau of Engraving and Printing to start running three shifts seven days a week.
23 posted on 12/01/2005 10:58:45 AM PST by KarlInOhio (In memory of Alvin Owen, Thsai-Shai Yang, Yen-I Yang and Yee Chen Lin:the victims of Tookie Williams)
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To: BenLurkin

"You make a good point but there still is no reason why our money should not be backed with hard assets, is there?"

If the economy ever gets so bad that gold ever becomes a real investment, as opposed to a nice decoration or hobby, skip gold and go straight to the hard assets of canned goods, bottled water, and shotgun shells --- they'll be far more valuable.


24 posted on 12/01/2005 10:58:55 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: BenLurkin
I never understood the "barbarous relic" nickname.

Does anyone know WHY gold should or might be considered a "barbarous relic"?

Possible reasons: (1) The source for the article is a periodical called "The Economist." Economics deals in abstractions. People who deal in abstractions are embarrassed by the existence of actual physical things upon which worth is based, just as most political science professors appear to be embarrassed by the inconvenient exitence of actual human beings who make nonsense of their theories. Gold is a "wild" thing whose worth fluctuates depending upon the unpredictable wants and desires of human beings for it. It is therefore unstable. It is therefore "barbarous." (2) The idiot writing the article has become so accustomed to thinking of worth in terms of money that he cannot see that gold is in itself a desirable and beautiful thing. What cannot be numerically expressed, but exists as its own concrete reality is, therefore, barbarous. (3) Gold may have been the base for monetary systems at one time in the deep dark distant past, before our monetary system began to be based on whatever the hell it's based on now. It is therefore not only barbarous, but a relic.

Or there could be some other reason entirely.

25 posted on 12/01/2005 10:59:25 AM PST by Dunstan McShane
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To: flashbunny

Common misconception. They are not only selling it, they OWN it. LOTS of it. The greater the demand, the greater the value of THEIR gold.


26 posted on 12/01/2005 10:59:35 AM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: flashbunny

Gold is the 19th rarest element on Earth. It is beautiful. It is durable. It is the best electical conductor known to man. It does not easily corrode, is easily identifiable, and it cannot be manufactured or counterfeited.

No one else can tell you what gold is worth, it is entirely up to you, the seller, and the buyer. So it is not up to bankers or con men or promises.


27 posted on 12/01/2005 11:00:05 AM PST by djf (Government wants the same things I do - MY guns, MY property, MY freedoms!)
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To: .cnI redruM
Even discounting that last year of Carter-flation, that would require a spot price of $2,073.2/ Troy Oz. today to break even if you bought

Anyone who calls gold a "barbarous relic" isn't likely to have much command of the concept of "inflation", either. ;)

28 posted on 12/01/2005 11:00:56 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("When government does too much, nobody else does much of anything." -- Mark Steyn)
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To: proxy_user

legal services, and entertainment.



These are not real value services to me, just a shine like gold as a matter of fact. They all tend to go up in value as the economy depresses.

Given India's future booming economy, some people are saying there will not be enough gold for a mere bracelet for an Hindu woman, thus the price of gold could end up skyrockting once these economies rise to our levels.

Aside from that, contrary to the Paltinum family, Gold lacks in industry application utility, except that it's a metal that does not rust and sometimes used in computers and small medical prostesis.


29 posted on 12/01/2005 11:00:59 AM PST by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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To: Dunstan McShane

The economist Keynes coined the term in the 30s. He hated the stuff, and wanted governments to have a monopoly on creating fiat money.


30 posted on 12/01/2005 11:00:59 AM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
I've never heard one of the gold hucksters on radio fail to proclaim that now was the time to buy gold.

All the more proof that now IS the time to buy gold.

31 posted on 12/01/2005 11:01:22 AM PST by Petronski (Cyborg is the greatest blessing I have ever known.)
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To: Tennessee_Bob
That's why I'm proposing that we move to what I call the "Honest Democrat" standard. If we base our monetary standard on something truly rare - the rarest thing I can think of is an Honest Democrat...

That's far too subject to hyperdeflation as your currency either dies of old age or reverts back to the more common Democrat.

I propose a monetary standard based on cheap Italian cars.


32 posted on 12/01/2005 11:01:56 AM PST by KarlInOhio (In memory of Alvin Owen, Thsai-Shai Yang, Yen-I Yang and Yee Chen Lin:the victims of Tookie Williams)
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To: djf

Gold topped at $898 on Jan 1, 1981.


33 posted on 12/01/2005 11:04:16 AM PST by Petronski (Cyborg is the greatest blessing I have ever known.)
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To: Travis McGee
They are not only selling it, they OWN it. LOTS of it. The greater the demand, the greater the value of THEIR gold.

I've seen this before, somewhere...


34 posted on 12/01/2005 11:05:08 AM PST by orionblamblam ("You're the poster boy for what ID would turn out if it were taught in our schools." VadeRetro)
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To: Redbob

No.


35 posted on 12/01/2005 11:05:15 AM PST by Petronski (Cyborg is the greatest blessing I have ever known.)
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To: BenLurkin
Does anyone know WHY gold should or might be considered a "barbarous relic"?

Because over the long run, it is a stupid investment.

36 posted on 12/01/2005 11:05:18 AM PST by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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To: Redbob
Correct. As the old saying goes "The Emperor hates gold, always has, always will".

I do not advocate a gold standard but is interesting to note that under a gold standard prices slowly decrease over time while under a fiat money scheme prices slowly (most of the time) rise over time. The public gets used to a "little" inflation. However, it produces great revenue for the government without directly raising taxes which gives them more money to spend on the people who elect them. Whatever else you can say about FDR, he wasn't a complete idiot when it came to expanding the government.

37 posted on 12/01/2005 11:05:19 AM PST by atomic_dog
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To: JudgemAll

> Gold lacks in industry application utility, except that it's a metal that does not rust and sometimes used in computers and small medical prostesis.

It also has useful thermal properties (both reflection and conduction), and finds numerous space applications as a result.


38 posted on 12/01/2005 11:07:04 AM PST by orionblamblam ("You're the poster boy for what ID would turn out if it were taught in our schools." VadeRetro)
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To: Tennessee_Bob
In order for a monetary standard to be valuable, it needs to be based on something truly rare. That's why I'm proposing that we move to what I call the "Honest Democrat" standard.

[snort coffee] But it has to be something *real*, not just mythical. :-)

39 posted on 12/01/2005 11:07:12 AM PST by Ramius (Buy blades for war fighters: freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net --> 1000 knives and counting!)
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To: JudgemAll

There are some other uses, especially in electronics. (Go look at the teeth on any given card in your PC, for example.)

To go to the other extreme, my lighting rods and grounding polls are plated in it actually. Cost $200 extra, but you never have to dig out the corroded rod --- which probably costs $200 to dig out a six-foot long poll.


40 posted on 12/01/2005 11:07:23 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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