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Is a New Ice Age Under Way? [Anti Global Warming Alert]
21st Century Science & Technology Magazine ^ | 10/19/2005 | Laurence Hecht

Posted on 11/30/2005 11:48:49 AM PST by WmCraven_Wk

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To: Rodney King

I've got thetans.


21 posted on 11/30/2005 12:08:28 PM PST by Great Caesars Ghost (History says our political structure and weak stomach will cause us to lose this war.)
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To: Rodney King

"Science and the LaRouche youth movement? Are you one of them?"

I have no opinion of or connection to LaRouche.


22 posted on 11/30/2005 12:09:26 PM PST by WmCraven_Wk
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To: camle
uh huh. yeah. right.

That was what they said at the end of the Discovery Channel's special "The Little Ice Age." It must be true.

23 posted on 11/30/2005 12:10:12 PM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: The_Victor

well. yeah. i guess if it was on tv then who can argue?


24 posted on 11/30/2005 12:11:11 PM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you.)
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To: pabianice
This is an odd choice of a graphic - global warming pretty much stopped between 1945 and 1976 so this mainly shows random variation rather than trend.
25 posted on 11/30/2005 12:12:26 PM PST by gondramB ( A government which robs Peter to pay Paul, can always count on the support of Paul)
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To: WmCraven_Wk
This article is a bit old as Jack died about 4-5 years ago. He was what I would call eccentric. He lived in a house in Seattle that was FILLED with magazines and articles. The literal paths through the living room with waist-high stacks of material.

However, Jack's mind and memory were amazing! He would start talking about something, then pause and go over to a stack of papers (out of 100+ stacks) and pull out the article he was talking about to show me the data. I always wondered if he rigged it - but he did it so often I don't see how.

Get him talking about geology and he would take you on a virtual tour from memory. Such as "you can see the fault at the south end of the lake by 31st Avenue behind the brown house. Take I-90 up to milepost 65 and you can see it again. And keep going on I-90 and take the North Bend exit and go to first Street and down 2 miles is a gravel road, go right, etc....." (He would talk in details like that for hours if you let him!)

He was into "cycles" of glaciology, sunspots, etc. and wrote numerous papers on various things - banged out on his manual typewriter. (Even wrote papers on the correlation between sunspots and gold price!) As I said - I considered him eccentric. But - he always had the research and data to prove his point. And I wondered if the sunspot activity which affects climate and agriculture and economics (perhaps less so now with modern advances) wouldn't somehow tie into the price of gold?

Anyway - sorry for my rambling reminiscence of Jack, R.I.P.

Now - where's that box with the long-johns?
26 posted on 11/30/2005 12:13:43 PM PST by geopyg (Ever Vigilant, Never Fearful)
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To: Rodney King

http://wlym.com/


27 posted on 11/30/2005 12:14:08 PM PST by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON!)
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To: camle
make up your mind! either we're globally warming or going into an ice age!
It doesn't matter. Either way, it's all Bush's fault and Haliburton is going to make an obscene profit from it.

The only cure, in either case, is to shut down all industry everywhere (except India and China, who will refuse to go along but we can't criticize them because they aren't Europe and America) and outlaw births (except for Muslims, who get to continue having their customary 13 kids per family).

28 posted on 11/30/2005 12:14:37 PM PST by samtheman
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To: WmCraven_Wk

Well, you can't "brown-nose" unless you get up close.


30 posted on 11/30/2005 12:16:12 PM PST by Old Professer (Fix the problem, not the blame!)
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To: WmCraven_Wk

SEE WARNING BELOW.

I am not qualified to judge the science in this article. The link to the magazine's main page http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com
shows more LaRouche info.

I imagine it is his latest publication. Back in the late 60s-early 70s he put out Fusion magazine from the Fusion Energy Foundation. Now it looks as if he is into climate. These publications look like a lot of effort goes into them.

WARNING! If you subscribe to one of his magazines, you will be placed on a list and they will call you all the time asking for donations. They will talk forever if you let them. DON'T EVER give this man your CREDIT CARD info. He has had "problems" with this before and did federal time for fraud. I was one of the lucky ones. You have been warned. Caveat emptor and all that.


31 posted on 11/30/2005 12:18:02 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: WmCraven_Wk
Our current understanding of the long-term climate cycles shows that for the past 800,000 years, periods of approximately 100,000 years' duration, called Ice Ages, have been interrupted by periods of approximately 10,000 years, known as Interglacials. (We are now about 10,500 years into the present Interglacial.)

In the science fiction novel Fallen Angels (and in the appendix), Larry Niven and co-authors suggest that the only reason why we haven't fallen into a full-blown ice age yet is human-influenced global warming.

As for terminal moraines, the terminal moraine from the last ice age didn't so much run down the middle of Long Island as Long Island is a terminal moraine, as are the Watchung Mountains in New Jersey. (The moraine is the pile of stuff that accumulates at the leading edge of a glacier.)

32 posted on 11/30/2005 12:18:35 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: pabianice

excellent map. thanks.


33 posted on 11/30/2005 12:18:54 PM PST by Centurion2000 ((Aubrey, Tx) --- America, we get the best government corporations can buy.)
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To: Baynative

Some of that new "Ice Age" was all over my lawn yesterday.


34 posted on 11/30/2005 12:20:01 PM PST by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: WmCraven_Wk

What happened then and why is it Bush's fault?/sarcasm..

Funny thing is my Dad has been talking about the "next little Ice Age" for as long as I can remember.


35 posted on 11/30/2005 12:21:31 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: WmCraven_Wk
...the onset of an Ice Age is not marked by global cooling. In fact, the very same astronomical conditions which cause a cooling at high latitudes in the Northern Hemisphere, produce the opposite effect in the Southern Hemisphere, where there is much more ocean to absorb and retain the incoming solar radiation. Thus the global average temperature does not tell us anything of importance.

Is he for real? Less incoming radiation is less, no matter which hemisphere you're in. Less incoming radiation means less radiation held by the oceans, which should ultimately mean cooler climes, unless I'm missing something...

36 posted on 11/30/2005 12:22:35 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (I-901: A freeway funded entirely by Washington State Smoking Nazis...)
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To: Baynative

"The geological requirements for an Ice Age are the presence of a large landmass around the Polar Circle and extending southward. A look at the globe, or world map, shows that those conditions exist in the Northern Hemisphere, but not in the Southern."

I think he had the map upside down. There is a large land mass around the South Pole. It is called Antartica.


37 posted on 11/30/2005 12:23:34 PM PST by johndpringle
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To: Question_Assumptions

The Watchung Mountains in New Jersey are Jurassic volcanic basalt left from when Africa rifted away from North America during the Pangea breakup; they are not moraines.


38 posted on 11/30/2005 12:24:07 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist
However, within a long-term ice age cycle, the actual ice ages are more common and longer than the interglacials.

And that brings me to my second point: if we're 500 years past the end of the average interglacial, then we have no business trying to reduce CO2 outputs, that is, if we want to keep the planet suitable for large human populations.

39 posted on 11/30/2005 12:25:33 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (I-901: A freeway funded entirely by Washington State Smoking Nazis...)
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To: WmCraven_Wk

Meanwhile, in an editorial, the sages of the Roanoke(VA) Times intone:

Two-mile long nail in the warming debate

Ice core analysis proves that industrial activities increase greenhouse gases and the temperature.


The Roanoke Times

The debate over global warming must move beyond whether science confirms that human activities are contributing to a change in the atmosphere and a rise in global temperature.

Analysis of a two-mile long ice core from the Antarctic should be the final nail in that debate.

Study of tiny air bubbles in the ice confirm that current levels of CO2 are higher than anything experienced at least in the last 650,000 years.

There can be no serious, reasonable doubt that this unprecedented increase is due to industrial activity that dumps billions of tons of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere every year.

With the start Monday of a 12-day global warming summit in Montreal, the debate must shift to real steps the nations of the world can take to reduce greenhouse emissions before it is too late.

The consequences of continuing to ignore the planet's slow-motion catastrophe are more grave than most can imagine.

"The impacts of global warming are many and serious: sea-level rise ... changes in availability of fresh water ... and the increasing incidence of extreme events -- floods, droughts, and hurricanes -- the serious consequences of which are rising to levels which invite comparison with weapons of mass destruction," said Britain's top scientist, Royal Society President Robert May.

Data from the Antarctic ice core sample, which provided an additional 210,000 years of data to that previously available, should add urgency to the Montreal gathering.

"This [data] is saying, 'Yeah, we had it right.' We can pound on the table harder and say, 'This is real,'" Richard Alley, a Penn State University expert on ice cores, told the Los Angeles Times.

Someone needs to pound on the table, loudly. The meeting in Montreal should advance the community of nations -- including Congress and the Oval Office -- beyond the weak efforts of the 1997 Kyoto Protocol.

Global warming is real. The world should face that reality and act accordingly.


40 posted on 11/30/2005 12:25:33 PM PST by Darnright (Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic.)
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