I am a conservative - Long (Double secret vanity)

Rice08

[theFIRMbss]

>Discuss

[rice08]

I think I was clear in saying we can agree to disagree on the matter of abortion and gay marriage and discuss if it is possible to make this a non DOA issue for candidates and judges

[avg_freeper]

"However it's not a modern day holocaust"

Close to a million murdered a year isn't good enough for you?

Do you need the abortionists to goose-step around and wear snappy clothing first?. Sorry, but I want no part of an "At least they kept the trains running on time" Republican party.

All the other things you desire from a political party can be easily obtained through a complete disregard of morals. You have absolutely no need to be a member of the Republican party.

[sageb1]

"...sounds to me that you are more libertarian that conservative"

That was my thought, too. I have libertarian leanings, but my conservatism keeps those in check :)

[rice08]

let me rephrase and say "strongly athiest" I don't care about more people becoming athiest

[rice08]

for campaign finance.... I don't disagree with the principle but like rush has said in the past, just because you call something the puppy dogs and apple pie bill doesn't mean it is

[Pukin Dog]

A Republican yes, but you aint no Conservative.

[Southside_Chicago_Republican]

However (abortion is) not a modern day holocaust and I can't make that a litmus test for anything from elected officials to judges.

1.5 million or so abortions each year over the past 32 years? Nope, no holocaust there. (/sarc)

[Lady Heron]

I can't make that a litmus test for anything from elected officials to judges.

But a main voting block in the Republican party does and without them you loose national and Southern elections.

You either want their vote and give them a candidate they can vote for or they stay home and you loose!

Hey we aren't the stupid party for nothing so it looks like we will try this stunt again and give the election to the dems.

[papertyger]

... save your arguments.

Then, sad to say, you're kidding yourself.

[rice08]

I think my point is that this is getting to the point of diminishing returns, when you ignore so many other conservative issues (spending and immigration as a start) is it always going to be enough just to get the pro-life/"values" voters out and that's that? as republicans we have dodged the bullet way too many times this way.

[rice08]

this dovetails into the next poster as well, if somehow the republicans put up, say, Rudy you would really rather have hillary as president? because that's what will happen if the pro-life base sticks to it's guns

[Paradox]

I largely agree with you. Although I am not an "atheist" (more of a Deist). I hate the ID crap, as someone else has written on FR, it is almost as if it were a liberal plot to destroy Conservativism. I have certain issues that I am against, but they are not at the top of my list.

This is where I differ I guess:

Gay Marriage. I am against it because I think the arguments for it are pretty stupid. That and I see no need for it, but I wont go ape-sh*t if they get the right to marry.

Abortion, I have become more pro-life as I have gotten wiser. However, to this day, if pressed, I would at this time still ultimately be somewhat pro-choice, but with reasonable restrictions. Whats reasonable to me? Well, basically most abortions past the 12th week. Maybe even the 8th. Having said THAT, its not a front-line issue for me, though in debates, I side with the pro-life crowd, because they are far more correct in this than the pro-choice side.

I am probably more opposed to the war on drugs than you are. Still, not something that gets me too riled up.

I pretty much agree with you on the rest. The thing is, you have to prioritize your issues, and while we are all good conservatives here (well, other than the trolls and the few "honest liberals"), we all get to make the list as we see it. Its a shame that people with other priorities than you might seek to demonize you or whatever, petty infighting like that does nothing but make the opposition stronger.

[papertyger]

I am wondering if those reading this understand that the conservative revolution that has been brewing for 40 years is threatened because of this make or break issue.

Nope.

Did you not see Bob Michael lose?

[colorcountry]

I couldn’t give two bottles of jack if two or 3 or 5 of anybody or anything got married while being officiated by their pet poodle

My husband and I would like to ask you to get married to us. Of course our pet poodle would be officiating. < /sarcasm>

[rice08]

My religion forbids it

[meandog]

...Rush and the anti-CFR crowd believe money equals free speech; ergo those with the most money have the most speech. Such philosophy runs counter to my opinion (an John McCain's) of democracy.
There was once an America where a person seeking Congress could go around his/her district, shake some hands, put out some signs and, if elected, would be beholden to no one as his/her war chest was not filled by favor-seeking backers (just ask Duke Cunningham about favors from supporters).
The advent of bigger media, however, has meant that it now requires the average office-seeker for a Congressional seat more than $4 million to run. The governor elect of N.J. (a RAT) "bought" that office just four weeks ago--is this political practice really what you desire? Wouldn't you rather see a fairer fight where the best (not the best-financed) candidate won?

[rice08]

To be clear I do care about pro-life and gay marriage issues from a procedural point of view. I can see the argument that roe vs. wade is bad law and I don't want the MASS SC deciding these issues.

[sageb1]

"I think I was clear in saying we can agree to disagree on the matter of abortion and gay marriage and discuss if it is possible to make this a non DOA issue for candidates and judges"

I've noticed a shift to the right by some liberals on political issues. Unfortunately, the political shift has not been matched by a shift on social issues. Liberals want to have it both ways. To me, that is hypocritical. Respect for an unborn baby's right to life and an understanding that liberal culture has been responsible for most of the ills in this country seems integral to whether or not I will vote for a candidate or support a nominee for SCOTUS. Believe me, if you run, I won't vote for you.