Posted on 11/29/2005 8:03:37 PM PST by presidio9
ELCA (Evangelical Lutheran Church of America), the liberal Lutheran church, is pining pro-gay and they have been moving more towards this way for awhile. LCMS (Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod) and WELS (Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod) are conservative and have a biblical stance regarding homosexuality (it is as scripture says, a sin). One of many sexual sins, but a sin nonetheless.
"Since the Catholic priesthood is filled with homosexual men who are chaste and who are serving God's people well, it stands to reason that the Church will continue to allow homosexuals into seminaries. "
Another reason is because they've been desperate for more priests and are willing to make compromises.
God bless you for having the courage to face and overcome that, and the courage to speak about it. So many of them bury their pain internally and then live hateful angry lives -- it's no different than what's bothering the abortion crowd.
As you can see by this story, the day you speak of is growing closer. I will pray for your speedy return.
The Catholic Church used to be a tower of morality. Now it is on the verge of being a joke. I don't make that statement lightly. Homosexuality is a terrible sin. Because the church looked the other way for decades, this sin destroyed its credibility.
They might better just leave the hen house empty, because putting a fox in charge of the hens will end up with even more devastating consequences than just an empty coop.
Please cite chapter and verse where this teaching is in the bible or taught by Christ. I've never been able to find it.
If there were 10 priests in the entire world who followed the Bible, they would be worth more than 1,000,000 priests who did not.
Absolutely true! Some have gone so far as to call the Catholic church the "harlot" mentioned in Revelations.
John 8:3-11
I agree with you. But what is the solution to loneliness? I can tell you that many of these priests just need somebody to talk to, since one priest parishes are rather common now. They need some place to go to kick off their shoes and not have to be "in role" for a couple of hours.
My wife is my confidant, my springboard, my source of inspiration and someone who will put me in my place when I need that.
Who does that for these guys in the priesthood?
We went to dinner a couple of nights ago with a man who is returning to active ministry after 25 years away. He was married, had two kids who are now grown, and his wife divorced him. Since he wasn't laicized, he applied to come back, and the diocese took him back.
He's going to need a lot of support (he's four years older than I am), and he's welcome at our house any time of the day or night, and we told him that.
If we're going to expect these men to serve us, we have to be willing to support them whenever they need it.
You know all of this, of course, since your brother is a priest.
Good for them. The Latin Rite is not going to return to the Tridentine Mass, so we'll just have to muddle through some other way.
Where is the sin in the celibate homosexual priest?
"If there were 10 priests in the entire world who followed the Bible, they would be worth more than 1,000,000 priests who did not."
Fortunately, those that are preaching from the Bible (and not compromising its content) have exposed those churches that do not adhere to Biblical principle.
Don't go away mad, just go away and STFU...
Correct response? "I'm celibate."
"Where is the sin in the celibate homosexual priest?"
Ask Fr. Shandley, ask the freaks of "St. Sebastian's Angels" ask the abusers Michael Rose reported on. The fact is this - the sexual deviant is a menace and Rome has spoken. You get no married priesthood and no more queers, get used to the idea that the Latin Mass is coming back, that orthodoxy is returning and that the 60's are dead.
The Latin Mass is NOT coming back. If you can't read the signs from the Bishops' Synod, and from the recent remarks by Cardinal Arinze, Prefect for the Congregation on the Liturgy, you're not paying attention.
As to the rest, you're right that there will be no married priesthood. The number of homosexuals will go down, to eliminate those who are sexually active, but there will still be homosexuals in the priesthood.
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Traditional Latin Mass making return
Farragut church begins offering option Sunday
By INA HUGHS, hughs@knews.com
November 26, 2005
"Gimme that old-time religion it was good enough for Grandpa, and it's good enough for me."
People aren't just whistling Dixie when they sing the familiar words to that old Southern song. When tradition comes up against change in the church, it can be a holy mess.
One of the changes made in the 1960s with the Second Vatican Council was that Mass would be offered in the language of the people present, rather than in Latin. The idea was to make worship more alive and accessible.
With the current rise of conservative and so-called "back to basics" fundamentalism playing out in all denominations, a growing number of Roman Catholics want to go back to the traditional Latin Mass. Among those, a small number claim Mass offered in Latin is the only legitimate Mass possible.
Proponents of this Latin-only movement contend that if the Catholic Church is to grow and flourish, it is essential to go back to a universal tongue.
The fact that Latin is a "dead" language is irrelevant, these traditionalists believe. In earliest times, only the clergy were expected to have academic understanding of the Mass, and it has always been held that mystery is at the heart of this central Roman Catholic sacrament:
"It is," writes historian the Rev. Frederick Faber, "the most beautiful thing this side of heaven. It came forth out of the grand mind of the Church and lifted us out of earth and out of self, and wrapped us round in a cloud of mystical sweetness and the sublimities of a more than angelic liturgy, and purified us almost without ourselves, and charmed us with celestial charming so that our very senses seemed to find vision, hearing, fragrance, taste and touch more than ear can give."
The Rev. Vann Johnston, chancellor of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Knoxville, says the Latin-only controversy has not affected this area. He explains that Bishop Joseph Edward Kurtz has granted permission to two churches in the diocese to offer the Mass in Latin: "This came about after a petition was passed asking that Latin be offered, but the people who signed it indicated they did not believe it was the only true Mass. They respect and legitimize Mass done in English and Spanish, or whatever the language of the people; but they loved the poetry, the music, the tradition of the Latin, and they wanted it offered for those reasons."
The first church in the Knoxville Diocese to offer the Latin Mass was St. Therese in Cleveland, which began offering the traditional Mass in 2004 on the first and third Sundays of each month. Now, beginning Sunday, it will also be offered on the second and fourth Sundays at St. John Neumann in Farragut.
"I'm comfortable with that," says Johnston. "The people asking for it are faithful Catholics, and their motivations are not related to schismatic groups. The Latin Mass is very beautiful."
He agrees people today are longing for a sense of the holy, but that, if done reverently and in accordance with the mind of the church, the English and the Spanish Mass have the same spiritual components and value as the Latin.
"They, too, can and do feed people's hunger for the sacred," he says.
Ina Hughs may be reached at 865-342-6268.
Yes, Catholic teaching is that they are still God's children and entitled to an equal share of God's love as you and I are.
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