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To: Yaelle
I cannot combine my belief in the Holy One Everlasting with any thought of Him punishing the most innocent of us all, nor on the punishment that gives to parents suffering the world's worst fate: outliving their child. I am sorry if that offends anyone, but it is just cruel to think that the most precious and innocent of us would go to H@ll.

You have hit on the major problem with Limbo and with the even-more dangerous notion that the unbaptized go to some part of hell.

If you are as compassionate as you are toward these true innocents, how much more compassionate must God be?

468 posted on 11/30/2005 11:15:57 AM PST by sinkspur (Trust, but vilify.)
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To: sinkspur
If you are as compassionate as you are toward these true innocents, how much more compassionate must God be?

That's what I think.

And I do like how it ties into the abortion topic. They all deserve heaven too: so many of them are killed, and many of them die of natural causes.

I asked a very wise and reverent rabbi about this once, about why tiny (born) babies sometimes die, and he said that we all have work to do down here on earth. Work that makes both the earth and our souls better. Some souls are so close to perfect, they have so little work left to do here. It doesn't take them very long to complete their work before they are back up in Heaven with G-d. It's far more comforting than that they are unbaptized and going to that other place.

494 posted on 11/30/2005 12:06:02 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: sinkspur
If you are as compassionate as you are toward these true innocents, how much more compassionate must God be?

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Yes, and beautifully said.

500 posted on 11/30/2005 12:34:34 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: sinkspur
If you are as compassionate as you are toward these true innocents, how much more compassionate must God be?

Much more so. But that does not show that unbaptized infants go to heaven. Unbaptized babies going to limbo is not "cruel", though it may be tragic, just as their death is tragic. Calling it "cruel" makes it sound as though the salvation of man is entirely voluntaristic.

-A8

565 posted on 11/30/2005 5:30:14 PM PST by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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