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To: Claud

So what's the big deal with limbo? If God can use His extraordinary Divine Power on the Thief on the Cross, He can certainly use His Extraordinary Divine Power on the infants.

I believe He uses His Extraordinary Divine Power to send His Only Begotten Son to the Cross to take OUR SINS on Himself so we might be saved. It was His Extraordinary Divine power to turn His Face on Christ casusing Christ to cry out "My God, My God why have You forsaken Me?"


170 posted on 11/29/2005 5:33:42 PM PST by Bushman2
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To: Bushman2
So what's the big deal with limbo? If God can use His extraordinary Divine Power on the Thief on the Cross, He can certainly use His Extraordinary Divine Power on the infants.

Exactly. Which is why no one should say that God *must* assign an unbaptized baby to hell, or heaven, or anywhere else. Limbo et al are theological speculations, perhaps right or perhaps wrong, but worth discussing.

179 posted on 11/29/2005 5:37:29 PM PST by Claud
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To: Bushman2

"So what's the big deal with limbo? If God can use His extraordinary Divine Power on the Thief on the Cross, He can certainly use His Extraordinary Divine Power on the infants.
I believe He uses His Extraordinary Divine Power to send His Only Begotten Son to the Cross to take OUR SINS on Himself so we might be saved. It was His Extraordinary Divine power to turn His Face on Christ causing Christ to cry out 'My God, My God why have You forsaken Me?'"

Ok, but then why did God decide to go and have His Only Begotten Son tortured to death most horribly in order to take on "OUR SINS"? If God can use His Extraordinary Divine Power to simply save the thief on the Cross, why can't He do it to simply save people from their sins if they turn to Him and pray to Him? Why go through the horror of sending His Only Begotten Son to be murdered?

I suppose the only answer is that He DIDN'T have to send Jesus. He could have just chosen to save whoever turned to him, as many Churches believe He does with non-Christians (and unbaptized babies). Why, then, the blood and horror of the Cross for Jesus? And why all of the animal blood and burnt fat for a millennium before that?
The answer can only be: to make a theatrical impression.
Sending a boy by virgin birth, and then having him die by just about the most rigorous series of tortures over as long a period as possible: this was not necessary for salvation at all. It WAS necessary to make an impression on us of two things: One is that God is serious about us wanting to pay attention to Him, and Two is that God is utterly ruthless and horrid - willing to send his own innocent son to be horribly tortured to death for no NECESSARY reason...and therefore we'd best sit up and take notice and understand that when he says "Do this or else", there's no "saving throw" or "well, if I have the best intentions". It's DO THIS OR I'LL BURN YOU IN HELL FOREVER. Why? Because He's God and it pleases Him to do so.
That's a pretty alarming portrait, but what else can one make of it?


212 posted on 11/29/2005 5:59:32 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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