Posted on 11/29/2005 3:42:52 PM PST by Claud
OK guys, who will come out and defend limbo?
Bill Clinton. He thinks it's a combination of a limo and a bimbo.
We have a winner, ladies and gentlemen!
I can only state an opinion which has no theological (that I am aware of) basis, but maybe, just maybe, they are moving towards saying that children who have been aborted, or murdered before they were born, may go to heaven if God, being the almighty knows what choice those children would have made if given the chance.
Its a question that a few folks have asked, what happens to the souls all of those poor children who were killed before they even got a chance to accept or reject God?
Did those who were terminated, go to heaven, hell or were they in limbo?
This might be an answer to the question or at least setting up the foundation to answer the question of the fate of those souls who were aborted.
That's incorrect, sinkspur. You can put them in Hell, beccause Hell is not *necessarily* a place of punishment and natural suffering.
But, limbo says they can't go to heaven either, substituting an absurd notion of a place of "natural happiness" for souls that were made for God.
Why is it absurd? Even the pagans believed as much.
I never claimed (1) that the Church is abandoning something it taught or (2) that what is being abandoned is theologically erroneous. So I am wrong on neither count.
My point had to do with the fallacious reasoning that would call all the Church's teachings into question, since we ourselves rightly do not abandon all our own beliefs when we discover ourselves to have been in error regarding a certain matter. The a fortiori conclusion regarding matters of mere speculation is plain.
-A8
If He were that merciful, He'd make sure your little one would spend eternity with you and his family rather than in Limbo.
I understand that. The theological problem with the fate of those who die before reaching the age of reason is that they cannot make a decision for which they can be held morally responsible. God's "foreknowledge" would not change that.
Day-O!
It can't be dropped, because it was never officially picked up. Catholics have always been free to believe in it or not believe in it as they saw fit. If the Church ever rules one way or the other, it would settle the question, not change it's mind.
We can take comfort in the fact that we worship a loving a just God.
You do have your personal religious beliefs, but I do not appreciate having them shouted at me...shouting does not make your beliefs any more substantial or effective...
The existence of purgatory is a de fide dogma of the Catholic faith, and is not up for discussion.
Limbo is a well-respected theological opinion, but has never been raised to the level of dogma.
Non sequitur.
Except that it follows logically from the premises.
I don't either. They are in Paradise with their Creator.
How many of those "neutralized" pronouncements met the conditions required for an infallible statement, as laid out by Vatican Council I?
Papal infallibility, like purgatory, is defined dogma, and will never be changed.
First the Limbo next the Hokey-Pokey.
Amen......." For by Grace are we saved THROUGH FAITH, that not of OURSELVES; it is a GIFT of GOD, not of WORKS, lest any man should boast". Ephesians 2:8
Yes, I believe we understand that. What is "conferred" is the public and formal recognition that a person is in heaven. God does the real work.
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