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To: BlueStateDepression

So if they had no reasonable suspicion to ask her for her ID in the first place, then how does a refusal constitute reasonable suspicion?

Isn't that rather circular reasoning, worthy of the KGB?


33 posted on 11/29/2005 1:34:11 PM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: mvpel

reasonable suspicion is part of the normal checks they have been doing since ummm the murah building blew up!

Circular reasoning is at play when you want to deny police the very tool they need to do their job. Information. That is what this ruling is all about. Police have to be able to ask questions.

Look for a minute now. This gal was asked time and time again. She knows the rules. They even let her slide. She baited them. She set this up.

Do you disagree that muhammed atta should have had to give up his ID when asked?

That a refusal was cause to detain him further?

How about Tim Mcviegh? He was just driving a car after all....

Do you honestly try to make the case that you have a right not to be Identified by a police officer that just walks up to you and asks you who you are? If you would honestly make that case I would like you to tell me how they could EVER come up with any evidence that could be considered probable cause for a warrant....much less for a conviction.

You seem to seek the ultimate hamstring for law enforcment. In your world it is wrong for a law enforcment official to even ask you your name. So tell me sir, what WILL you allow them to do?


35 posted on 11/29/2005 1:42:46 PM PST by BlueStateDepression
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