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To: Mr Rogers

Everyone cannot do managment. CMON NOW.
What you call envious is funny. It isn't about that and you know it. This is just your attempt at rationalization.

I do not wish to see managment be denied their share for work done either. But you attempt to make it out that way. That sir, is called S P I N.

"do what work you can find at the best rate you can find"

YUP, and deny working for less than the labor is worth. That sir is called the FREE MARKET. When an employer cannot fill the positions they WILL raise wages. This is shown true here in the midwest where most jobs pay is above minimum wage already.

Why are you against labor being compensated fairly for the labor they produce?

You have faild to answer if YOU would work that job. You seem to think that just having a job should be thanks enough and the peanuts you would shell uot would be considered frosting.

My time has a value set by ME sir, not YOU. I can back up my worth with presenting the productivity my labor represents. That is to say the PROFITS that I create. This tactic has saw me gain raises and it has also set me out to search out employment elsewhere. A free market thing there again.

Stockholders and managment take too much of the profits it hurts everyone my friend. Maybe you are too old school to see that. That is your problem not mine.


266 posted on 11/28/2005 4:18:14 PM PST by BlueStateDepression
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To: BlueStateDepression

You're nuts.

You can work or not work for whatever you choose. As I pointed out earlier, I've worked minimum wage collecting sheep piss - at the time, it was worth it to me.

Workers DO get their fair share - their fair share is whatever they are willing to work for. THEY determine what is fair when they accept or reject a job offer. If you don't like the wage, go elsewhere or get a more valuable skill.

However, you have posted multiple comments about how a worker should refuse work if management is making a lot of money (and giving it to the owners, called shareholders).

Earth to BlueStateDepression - that is what businesses do in a free economy - make as much money as they can by charging as much as possible while paying as little as possible. This attracts more businesses to that field, resulting in competition. The competition will drive down prices and often pay more to get the better workers.


275 posted on 11/28/2005 4:29:36 PM PST by Mr Rogers
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To: BlueStateDepression

Work occurs because the employer and employee agree on a price. You are right that the price goes down if the illegals are willing to work at a lesser price. But I will add that there are pressures beyond the domestic market-- numerous jobs have been outsourced from New England to India in the service sector. Products are being generated increasingly from China.

We would like to clean up illegal immigration (somehow), but relative to wages, US businesses and workers are vulnerable to global markets.


279 posted on 11/28/2005 4:37:19 PM PST by saveliberty (Conservativism - the commitment to live within your own means and to take care of yourself & family)
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