Posted on 11/28/2005 1:46:25 PM PST by Eaglewatcher
Taxes are just another form of oppression.
Yes, but with the FairTax we have a chance to get at least a piece of it back. It's a start and a good one. It will help the country economically a great deal - and individual taxpayers as well.
Actually it started before the war and was promised to only affect the rich, the rich at that time earned about 5000 per year. It was a flat tax and was perverted into the sliding scale during WWII and that was promised to end at the end of the war but it took up until the 80s for it to change at all. The upper bracket at the time of the end of the war was 90 percent!
This is why us old timers are against a flat tax and want a new system. We have seen what happens if any income tax at all is in place. It will eventually return to what we have now. Fair tax or the equivalent is the only way to go.
Indeed. By definition, a 100% tax rate is slavery.
This would make a great post! If you are not interested I will be glad to post it with your permission.
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John Linder in the House(HR25) & Saxby Chambliss Senate(S25) offer a comprehensive bill to kill all income and SS/Medicare payroll taxes outright and replace them with with a national retail sales tax administered by the states.
H.R.25,S.25
A bill to promote freedom, fairness, and economic opportunity by repealing the income tax and other taxes, abolishing the Internal Revenue Service, and enacting a national retail sales tax to be administered primarily by the States.Refer for additional information:
Fair Tax major BUMP! I read the book, too! 8)
I have not seen any of our Republican friends doing anything to get rid of the income tax. We get BS about cutting this exemption and loosening that one. All they are doing is shifting the numbers around. There will never be any tax repealed in this country unless we sweep every one of them out of office every election cycle for the next 24 years. I noticed how our GOP leadership would not cut any pork out of the budget to pay for this hurricane relief.
placemark
Fer shure!!!
Now we know that both were lies. Maybe not lies when they were told but lies manifested none the less. It is up to us, the people, to do something. There are representatives in congress and the Senate who are sponsoring the fair tax.
There is a huge bureaucracy in Washington and Virginia that feasts off of the tax receipts from the hard working people in this country. They are career slum lords overseeing their real estate for profit only, not for the betterment of their tenants. This huge bureauracy, unelected, is the tyranny that Jefferson, Adams, Franklin, Mason et.al. warned us about. They are bloodsuckers and do not have our interests at heart. They only understand power.
Though unelected they wield considerable power as we can see every day with the major cabinet offices. We, as productive citizens are subject to the whims of millions of unnecessary regulations that bind our creative abilities like tethered sheep.
This bureaucratic morass is extremely entwined with the so called "K-Street" gang of lobbyists who spend millions of dollars of corporate money (the money we all earn for statists corporations as their loyal servants) to bribe the very people we send to congress to clean up the mess. Congress, on the other hand, is strapped by a wicked news media who have decided that the truth lies in government and we should all be a collective bunch of sissies. If any story depicts an individual accomplishment it is spiked in favor of an individual accomplishing because of a government program. You know the drill.
The fair tax, whether you agree with it or not, is at least a step toward ridding ourselves of what has become a hundred times worse than King George's tax on tea. If you don't agree with it please tell the rest of us how we can get rid of K-Street and its intertwined bureaucracy.
Otherwise, shut the hell up and go home.
"2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax."
And, since you brought it up, here are the other nine:
"1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
"3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
"4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
"5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.
"6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.
"7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
"8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
"9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.
"10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc."
Do you recognize any of the other nine that are firmly in place in the United States of America?
The (our) enemies of FReedom have been hard at work, and rather successful, wouldn't you say?
A man much wiser than I once said that Eternal Vigilance is the price of FReedom.
I'd have to say that we have not been vigilant.
However, all is not lost: We the People have an opportunity to begin the process of taking our country back by electing Senators and Representatives who will vote for the FairTax, H.R. 25 and S. 25.
That is just the first step, mind you. There is a lot more to be done after the FairTax becomes law of the land.
Why did I know that you would post Skousen's article on this thread? LOL!
Thanks, Dick. Hope all is well with you and yours and that you had a wonderful Thanksgiving.
We, as productive citizens are subject to the whims of millions of unnecessary regulations that bind our creative abilities like tethered sheep.
The first section addresses many bogus laws -- victimless "crimes" -- beyond the WOD. The remainder addresses Taxman's 64 post. "You" is used generically directed toward those that support violating persons unalienable rights.
If a person thinks they have been harmed by another person's act of possessing a drug then the person should take the drug possessor to court and convince an impartial jury. That way the "victim" may gain restitution for his or her pain and suffering.
You've never done that because you know that even if the judge didn't refuse the case as frivolous it would be highly improbable that you'd ever convince an impartial jury that the mere act of a person possessing drugs caused you harm.
Instead, you'll argue that drug possession and or use causes harm to society -- causes harm to the group. You'll take a communitarian stand. Of course, you'll have to turn a blind eye to reality. That is, for a group of people to exist there is a prerequisite that first the individual must exist.
Each time an individual is sacrificed -- in whole or in part -- the group suffers a loss. Protect the rights of the smallest minority -- the lone individual -- and the rights of all minorities and the majority are protected.
The federal government creates each year, on average, 3,000 new laws and regulations. Each one of those laws has people that support it and will argue why the new law is necessary. Proclaiming that without those new laws people and society will run headlong into destruction.
In reality virtually every person breaks one or more laws several times a year. Yet with every person violating the law people and society have not moved toward self-destruction. Instead, individuals and society have increasingly prospered.
Over the past several years and decades people and society increasingly prospered despite not having the supposed benefits of future laws yet to come. Today, people and society increasingly prosper despite not having the supposed benefits of next year's new laws or, new laws to come five, ten or fifteen years in the future.
Ninety-eight percent of the people do not knowingly initiate force, threat of force or fraud against any person or their property. Though, through widespread ignorance most people negligently support government initiation of force/harm against persons and their property. See War of Two Worlds below.
Setting aside for the moment that government officials in all three branches of government violate laws, if it were possible to apprehend all lawbreakers next week, society would run headlong into destruction. It would come to a screeching halt.
As it is, a very small fraction of lawbreakers are ever apprehended for the laws they violate. The few that are apprehended and punished cause a drain on their lives, families and society. Meanwhile everybody else that violates the same laws, while semi free, pay the price of having their brothers and sisters sacrificed for the greater good of society.
The beneficiaries are the politicians, bureaucrats and their automatons. They're parasites leeching off The People, the hosts. Value destroyers draining value producers.
Ir really is a war, to the death, between two groups of people: 64
War of Two Worlds
Value Producers
vs.
Value Destroyers
Politicians and bureaucrats work diligently to hide and numb much of the emotional dismay and stress that people would otherwise experience from funding the government. There's the politician and bureaucrat acting in a paternalistic superiority over ordinary people as demonstrated by the treatment they give the "patients". That treatment is to create an illusion that masks the pain while never addressing the real problem.
In fact they dare not address the real problem because they are the problem. For they create problems that need not exist in the first place. Problems that drain wealth and hinder the progress of people and society. The people pay trillions of dollars each year for that.
Solution: make the method of paying taxes transparent to everyone. Let each person experience the pain and dismay of paying taxes and soon, very soon in mass, people will increasingly reign in government spending and lawmaking.
In all probability the FairTax is the most transparent.
Benefits of the FairTax
Rep. Bill Archer, Chairman, House Ways and Means Committee:
"A recent survey was done, in Europe and Japan, of the major corporations and I was astounded at the results. They were asked, 'If the US abolished its income tax and went to a sales tax, would that have any impact on your decisions?' Eighty percent of the corporations said they would build their factories in the United States of America. Twenty percent said they would move their international headquarters to the United States of America."
That's the short list. For more information see fairtax.org or search: "national sales tax" OR "national retail sales tax"
(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie.Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")
Eternal Vigilance is the price of FReedom.
And the lack of which contains its own punishment.
"The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime and the punishment of his guilt."
-John Philpot Curran: Speech upon the Right of Election, 1790.
What you should know about Ross Perot's campaign is that he got in because Hillary had promised him that his company, Perot Systems, would manage the new national healthcare system. He spent little of his own money and the "volunteers" did all the work. He succeeded in giving us the Clintons, which was his goal. Too bad for him he didn't cash in on the healthcare program and too bad for us and the country we got the Clintons for eight years. Perot is not near the patriot that he pretends.
Frank,
Because you're one of the smarter people frequenting FR (for a squid)? LOL
And you're clairvoyant??
And you know how my alleged mind works???
Have a Merry CHRISTmas, guy!!
Mr. Curran got it right -- too bad his words of wisdom are not well known.
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