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2nd KU class denies status of science to design theory
Lawrence Journal-World ^ | Sunday, November 27, 2005 | Sophia Maines

Posted on 11/28/2005 6:54:46 AM PST by Right Wing Professor

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To: atlaw

FR Consumer Info assistance. People who talk to evos need to know they might be taken advantage of.


221 posted on 11/28/2005 11:51:33 AM PST by Mamzelle (.)
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To: moog
Make mine a Polygamy Porter... why have just one? Bring a six-pack home to the wives! Someone posted on a related thread about Wasatch Brewery recently and it brought back memories of my misadventures at BYU. After shooting out a streetlight from my dorm room window, I was booted out, joined the Marines, and went to 'Nam in '68. Thanks, whoever posted that, I'm still laughing!
222 posted on 11/28/2005 11:52:48 AM PST by rootkidslim (... got the Sony rootkit on your Wintel box? You can thank Sen. Hatch!)
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To: Getready

None. Nor did I attempt to make one.


223 posted on 11/28/2005 11:53:10 AM PST by RonF
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To: Senator Bedfellow
This would be the second time in the last few days I have seen a creationist accuse someone of getting secret emailed info. (I was accused of needing some help from Darwin Central to answer someone's pitiful argument). I wonder if there's something going on here. Maybe they're all the same person? lol
224 posted on 11/28/2005 11:55:30 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: narby
"In other words, faith is wishful thinking."

True to certain people, but to those who have faith in God, it is much more than wishful thinking. For me, it is based on many special experiences that I have seen and had in many ways. I can't expect anyone else to have the same kind or just to believe because I say I have had them. That in itself is wishful thinking. I can't PROVE it in any scientific way, but if my faith in God leads me to live a good life, trying to do things that are right (i.e. a Christ-centered life). To express belief in God and then go out and not try to live that way is to deny one's faith in God.

Faith is different things to different people. Faith in God is not for everyone. For me, it is the guide to how I treat people and how I live. I make plenty of mistakes, that's for sure and am not any better than anyone else (just ask my mom:).

That doesn't mean that I have to treat those who do not believe as I do as being below me in some fashion. There are honest, sincere people of all walks of life whom I respect. It's those who are not that I don't (but even then, I can't say that I'm better--I make more mistakes than almost anyone).

I respect your belief. I respect you.

225 posted on 11/28/2005 11:56:46 AM PST by moog
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To: moog

Actually, there's a lot of work that's starting to indicate that the Mediterranean Sea used to be a large lake until the Atlantic Ocean broke through the Straits of Hercules (i.e., between Spain and Morocco). Evidence of human settlements miles off-shore and so far below the current level of the Mediterranean that they are not subject to oxidation has been found. This may well be the origin of the flood stories prevalent in so many religions.


226 posted on 11/28/2005 11:58:56 AM PST by RonF
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To: rootkidslim
Make mine a Polygamy Porter... why have just one? Bring a six-pack home to the wives! Someone posted on a related thread about Wasatch Brewery recently and it brought back memories of my misadventures at BYU. After shooting out a streetlight from my dorm room window, I was booted out, joined the Marines, and went to 'Nam in '68. Thanks, whoever posted that, I'm still laughing!

I heard that there was some beer out there named after polygamy or something. I heard a bunch of teenage boys got booted out of one polygamous family because the old guys didn't want any competition.

227 posted on 11/28/2005 11:59:57 AM PST by moog
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
I wonder if there's something going on here. Maybe they're all the same person?

A nice, hefty spritz of "Voice-B-Gon" might help with that - it's just the thing if you've got one too many people in your head:

:^)

228 posted on 11/28/2005 12:01:06 PM PST by Senator Bedfellow
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To: moog
As I've said before, I am one creationist/ID'er who has no problem with science or evolution. I don't believe in evolution per se, but I can't deny that at least some of it is true.

Since my belief is more faith-based than anything, I can't get into a scientific argument about it. I can respect yours and others' beliefs while still keeping my own.

A breath of fresh air. Thank you, sir.

229 posted on 11/28/2005 12:02:00 PM PST by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: lonestar67
Don't worry us stupid Christians get the message. Stay out of science. If you so much as intimate that the order that science reveals has some divine origin, you will be heckled out of scientific inquiry.

Many scientists are Christian. Nobody has a problem with intimating that the order that science reveals has some divine origin. The problem comes when the proposition is put forward, without evidence, that said origin can be scientifically proven, and that it should be taught as science.

230 posted on 11/28/2005 12:02:28 PM PST by RonF
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To: RonF
Actually, there's a lot of work that's starting to indicate that the Mediterranean Sea used to be a large lake until the Atlantic Ocean broke through the Straits of Hercules (i.e., between Spain and Morocco). Evidence of human settlements miles off-shore and so far below the current level of the Mediterranean that they are not subject to oxidation has been found. This may well be the origin of the flood stories prevalent in so many religions.

I saw some documentary on something like this once. It was absolutely fascinating. There were big floods in Idaho too. There have really been some big catastrophies in the past, that's for sure.

231 posted on 11/28/2005 12:03:12 PM PST by moog
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To: Liberal Classic

A breath of fresh air. Thank you, sir.

Thank you for your statment.


232 posted on 11/28/2005 12:05:10 PM PST by moog
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To: RonF
Many scientists are Christian. Nobody has a problem with intimating that the order that science reveals has some divine origin.

I was fortunate that at the private college I attended, that the science teachers didn't have a problem with neither science nor their belief in God.

233 posted on 11/28/2005 12:07:03 PM PST by moog
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To: moog
For me, it is based on many special experiences that I have seen and had in many ways.

Been there, done that, got the baptism.

But eventually I discovered that many things in life can give you many different types of feelings. That's all a conversion experience is, a feeling.

Christianity is a benign place for people to wrap their feelings and lives into. It has a good philosophy, and I recommend it for many. My children and grandchildren go to church regularly, and I do not bring up my ideas about faith to them.

But exploiting feelings via religion can be a dangerous thing. Remember the folks who thought there was a spaceship behind the Hale-Bopp comet and committed suicide? And Jim Jones, wow. And all those terrorists out there, all of them motivated by their feelings manipulated by skillful people. Many of those skillful manipulators certainly believed in their faith 100%. But since the first prerequisite of a faith is the ability to be dishonest with yourself about what is reality, and what is not, religion has the ability to attract some very dishonest people on occasion.

Religion is like fire. It can be a wonderful servant, or an evil master.

234 posted on 11/28/2005 12:07:49 PM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: Mamzelle
hint that these evos are not only joined at the hip, but may be all the same person or just a few people

What do you mean "may be"? I just told you that I write all the evo posts, and some of the creationist ones.

Almost like an alert goes out.

Uncanny isn't it; it is almost as if one of the evos maintains a list of like minds, and pings them to threads that seem relevant. But for those of you who think that the moon-landings were faked what really happens is that I send 300 pings to my alternate posting IDs and let the fun begin. The pay for being a member of Darwin Central's black-ops division isn't brilliant, but the job satisfaction is second to none.

235 posted on 11/28/2005 12:08:24 PM PST by Thatcherite (F--ked in the afterlife, bullying feminized androgenous automaton euro-weenie blackguard)
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To: dd5339

ping


236 posted on 11/28/2005 12:08:52 PM PST by Vic3O3 (Jeremiah 31:16-17 (KJV))
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To: moog
I saw some documentary on something like this once. It was absolutely fascinating. There were big floods in Idaho too. There have really been some big catastrophies in the past, that's for sure.

Most early civilisations were based along the world's great rivers, or by the sea. We shouldn't be surprised that most such civilisations had folk-tales of terrible floods that killed nearly everyone. Just ask the citizens of New Orleans. Curiously (to those of a biblical literalist bent) dry-and-high ancient civilisations don't share those myths.

237 posted on 11/28/2005 12:11:32 PM PST by Thatcherite (F--ked in the afterlife, bullying feminized androgenous automaton euro-weenie blackguard)
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To: Mamzelle; Senator Bedfellow
Welcome to FR, Bedfellow. How come you're so new and you know my habits? You're not a phoney, are you? Or a fraud? Or a fake?

If you have any evidence that SB is a previously banned poster, show it. Otherwise, you are blowing smoke.

238 posted on 11/28/2005 12:13:08 PM PST by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: Thatcherite

You never see creationists all swarming to these posts now do ya? Oh wait, they do too... Maybe we're ALL just one person! We must be a fast typer.


239 posted on 11/28/2005 12:13:25 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Thatcherite
Uncanny isn't it; it is almost as if one of the evos maintains a list of like minds, and pings them to threads that seem relevant.

Brilliant!

240 posted on 11/28/2005 12:13:33 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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