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To: CarolinaGuitarman
The story of his *conversion* was a lie spun a woman named Lady Hope who claimed to have been at his deathbed. She never met him. So much for the honesty of creationists.

Actually, many researchers believe that there is no proof in either direction. Some members of her family recant her account, yet there is no conclusive proof either way. Are you so blinded by your hatred of Creationists that you that you will call them lairs without proof? That speaks volumes to the Sciencific approach you Evos take.

******* excerpt of a book review ********
The book THE DARWIN LEGEND by James Moore is one of the most recent and cautious analyses about the Darwin conversion story. For many years, detractors claimed that Lady Hope either didn't exist or never visited Darwin. Moore demonstrates that she did indeed exist and may very well have visited him.
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He actually lost his faith almost at the same time he formulated his theory in the late 1830's. He was an agnostic for most of his adult life.

Actually, he still had his faith when he returned on his faithful trip in 1836. Even still, after his conversion away from Christianity he still felt he deserved to be called a "Theist." Again, throughout most of his life, if not his entire life, his belief that God created life was persistent.

133 posted on 11/28/2005 7:57:16 AM PST by BushCountry (They say the world has become too complex for simple answers. They are wrong.)
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To: BushCountry
"Actually, many researchers believe that there is no proof in either direction. Some members of her family recant her account, yet there is no conclusive proof either way. Are you so blinded by your hatred of Creationists that you that you will call them lairs without proof? That speaks volumes to the Sciencific approach you Evos take."

There is no evidence she met him. She's a liar about his *conversion*. Besides, his family (the women anyway) was devout; they would have had every reason to want him to have converted. That they said he didn't says a lot. It's up to those who want to convince us of the Lady Hope story to come up with something tangible. None of his letters up to the time of his death even hint that he was having a crisis of faith or doubted evolution. The burden of proof is with the creationists.


"Actually, he still had his faith when he returned on his faithful trip in 1836. Even still, after his conversion away from Christianity he still felt he deserved to be called a "Theist." Again, throughout most of his life, if not his entire life, his belief that God created life was persistent."

No, he really didn't. And I said he lost his faith in the late 1830's, which is not at all inconsistent with him still having it in 1836. It was in the next two years it melted away. Let's say he became an agnostic in 1850; that still leaves him 32 years as an agnostic.

That James Moore book doesn't say that Darwin converted, it only says that he may have been visted by Lady Hope. I notice that you conveniently left out the last sentence in the paragraph of the book review you excerpted,

"He also concludes, however, that her account of what happened is not reliable."
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/d/darwin.htm

Very interesting editing.
140 posted on 11/28/2005 8:12:39 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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