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Why son refused to stand
The Courier News ^ | 11/25/05 | EMS Fire Lt. Robert Bedard

Posted on 11/25/2005 3:01:56 PM PST by chicagolady

I am the father of the young man who did not stand for the singing of the Mexican national anthem during a cultural awareness program at Larkin High School.

I have been constantly asked to explain the details of the event, and it is in response to these individuals that I offer the following facts.

Some of the students, my son included, were compelled to attend this assembly. The Mexican national anthem was printed on fliers and handed out to the attending students. The Mexican flag was marched in and placed on a podium by itself. The attendees were then asked to stand and sing the Mexican national anthem.

My son was not alone in his refusal to stand. Statements given to me by other youths and parents put the number of refusals at close to 20.

Larkin staff members immediately confronted the seated youth. Some of the students were threatened with in-school suspension; most of the seated students were intimidated into standing.

My son explained to the angry teacher who confronted him that he did not see a U.S. flag on the podium and he did not believe they were going to sing our national anthem. This teacher stated, "They have to stand for our national anthem, so you have to stand for theirs."

My son stated in response, "Yeah, but they're in our country."

The teacher called my son a punk and sent him to the office. The administrator in the office supported the teacher's demand and told my son that he could have made a more intelligent decision. My son was not formally disciplined. The teacher who confronted my son defended her actions to her students during class the following week.

I called Larkin principal Richard Webb to express my disappointment and concern. I described the manner in which my son had been treated. I was told that my son should have stood and that the school stood by its right to have this assembly in its chosen form.

I then exercised my right as a citizen and addressed the school board.

The press was present at the board meeting and media awareness snowballed from that point forward. Some of my statements to the board included, "I am disappointed that those responsible for creating an assembly intended to educate and sensitize Americans also felt free to act insensitively with regard to our culture. It is permissible to present another country's anthem alongside ours and receive standing respect. It is not reasonable to expect or demand that Americans stand and display respect for another flag and country in absence of the American anthem or flag."

I also asked the board to consider two positive actions. "First, encourage Larkin High School administrators to not underscore one culture to the exclusion of others. This ill-conceived mandatory assembly did nothing but widen the current schism. Second, I would ask the board to lay down some principles for future assemblies. While it is good educational practice to teach about other cultures, it is not an acceptable practice to require mandatory response to the patriotic elements of those cultures."

I was appalled by Webb's printed statement. Apologizing only for the "unfortunate spotlight" placed on the school does not acknowledge the process that brought the spotlight. Lack of proper oversight created an assembly that offended a large number of people. Teachers behaving badly guaranteed parental follow-through. Administrative silence and denial has perpetuated their arrogant image.

Trivializing the incident and belittling those it concerned has only confirmed Webb's lack of grounding with the community.

Since Dec. 8, 2004, educational institutions receiving federal funding are required to hold an educational program pertaining to the United States Constitution on Sept. 17 of each year. This year, Sept. 17 fell on a Saturday.

Our high school apparently chose on Sept. 16 not to hold an assembly on the Constitution of the United States, but to educate our youth on the patriotic elements of another country.

- Bedard is an Elgin resident.

11/25/05


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: aliens; borderslanguage; cowardpcbastards; culture; diversityeducation; dontstandforthis; education; immigrantlist; larkinschoolsucks; mexicananthem; mexicosucks; pcnonsense; principalsuckstoo; punkprincpal; punkschoolboard; punkteacher; teachersucks; theiranthemsucks
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To: CaptainCanada
OTOH, I taught my kids (at a very early age) to stand quietly at attention during the playing of the American National anthem when we attended MLB and NHL games when the Blue Jays and the Leafs when American teams were in town. They even stood quietly at attention for the Russian National anthem when the Ruskies were playing for the Canada cup. I do not think that lack of respect for foreign national anthems is necessarily a vitue.. So, I wouldn't raise the kid to hero status....

Cap'n...yours was the most reasonable and nicest post of the day. Thanks for posting.

Happy Thanksgiving weekend, everyone!

141 posted on 11/25/2005 4:51:17 PM PST by paulat
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To: paulat
Good evening.
"I just have an aversion to people looking to be offended."

Aren't you are saying you find this boy and his father's actions offensive?

You are supporting an attempt to intimidate American students into bowing a knee to multiculturalism and political correctness.

I understand the Canadian taking that stand, and Melas is new to the FreeRepublic, but there is no excuse for you. Maybe the nuns are to blame

Michael Frazier
142 posted on 11/25/2005 4:55:20 PM PST by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: calex59

Agreed. I was stationed in Korea. I found it very emotionally stirring to hear our anthem played in tandem with the Korean anthem (ours rhythmic and triumphant, theirs flowing and melodic). I was proud to stand at attention for both anthems. But to present a foreign flag in isolation - a travesty. What is the point but to reduce our population's patriotism?


143 posted on 11/25/2005 4:55:47 PM PST by sgtyork (jack murtha and the media -- unconditional surrender used to mean the enemy surrendered)
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To: paulat
"If the father was stationed in a foreign country...would he SIT DOWN ON THE TARMAC if another country's anthem was played???!!!"

Guess you haven't been keeping up, bud.........this was NOT in a foreign country, it was NOT on a tarmac........it was in a f**king AMERICAN HIGH SCHOOL, fercryinoutloud.

Use that melon, would ya???? Jesus..............

144 posted on 11/25/2005 4:56:37 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: chicagolady
As the principal of the building I oversee all programs at Larkin High School including school climate, campus operations, school improvement, and student programming

A-HA! ;^)

145 posted on 11/25/2005 4:58:26 PM PST by Grut
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To: daybreakcoming
Good evening.
You're Katherine Harris????

Impressive posture you've got there, Katherine.

Michael Frazier
146 posted on 11/25/2005 4:58:59 PM PST by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: sgtyork

Bingo.


147 posted on 11/25/2005 5:02:25 PM PST by Eaker (My Wife Rocks! - I will never take Dix or El Roy off of my ping list.)
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To: chicagolady


148 posted on 11/25/2005 5:04:21 PM PST by streetpreacher (If at the end of the day, 100% of both sides are not angry with me, I've failed.)
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To: paulat
The evil is having a school assembly honoring our Great friend Mexico.
We have to remind ourselves about the many times Mexico has backed the USA (zero).
1. Invaded USA.
2. Gave aid and a free rein to Germany in WWI.
3. Stole America property during the depression.
4. Gave aid and free rein to Germany and japan during WWII.
5. Still invading USA every day.
151 posted on 11/25/2005 5:08:35 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Rush agrees with me 98.5% of the time!)
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To: Melas

I'm satisfied you didn't jump to conclusions as to what end my "bullying" was intended to do.

I did further research and located the school, in Elgin, IL., and discovered further it is 38% Hispanic. The day of the incident was supposedly Mexican Independence Day, which from what I understand, has nothing to do with the 4th of July. If the Hispanic students wanted to commemorate this day, then they can do it in their own neighborhoods, or social clubs, etc. like previous ethnic groups have done in the past, with anticipation of remembering it fondly but, on the path to becoming Americans. To have the school create this situation, for either political correctness or diversity nonsense reasons, is a joke. The beauty of the American public school system in the past (before the enlightened 60's) was that it did a tremendously successful job of assimilating a wide variety of ethnic groups into becoming Americans, and identifying with America as such. This display does nothing of the sort...especially if no American flag is on display or brought into conjunction with this act. Frankly, I find it repulsive and divisive.

Intimidation is not what I had in mind; I would like to better understand via contact and debate as to what these school officials think they're promoting when they allow immigrants (or aliens, depending on their legal status) to perform these functions, during school hours and to what end?

My grandparents on one side were legal immigrants and didn't speak English and neither did my mother until entering school, with no bilingual programs. They left the Old World and its ways behind and looked forward to becoming Americans. Period. If these new groups aren't interested in pursuing that goal, then go back home. I for one don't believe you can have it both ways. Either these immigrants are here to become Americans or ...... what, guests? What makes this latest group different from all the others? That's what I'd like these school officials to tell me, however I suspect they're probably elected officials, with no spines, and therefore cater to what's
fashionable or guaranteed to get them reelected vs. what is right. No surprises there.


152 posted on 11/25/2005 5:09:51 PM PST by john drake (roman military maxim: "oderint dum metuant, i.e., let them hate, as long as they fear")
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To: All
I refer everyone to #141. Mr. t is home (and...LOL!...he doesn't have any gold chains!!!).

Have to get dinner on the table! Thank heavens for leftovers!

Happy Thanksgiving weekend, everyone!

153 posted on 11/25/2005 5:10:53 PM PST by paulat
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To: SergeantsLady
Good evening.
"But, teenagers (as well adults) have been known to do the "Right" thing but for the "Wrong" motivation."

The motivation of the school administrators is more the issue here than the boy's.

Michael Frazier
154 posted on 11/25/2005 5:11:45 PM PST by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
More role-playing -- like the California school that requires students to be Muslims for a week or two.

"If you don't wear your burkas and say your prayers 5 times a day, heads will roll!"

155 posted on 11/25/2005 5:14:08 PM PST by Freedom_Fighter_2001 (When money is no object - it's your money they're talking about)
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To: paulat

When did a foreign country enter into this?

The kid did the right thing. This is the USA - not the USA/Mexico.

There are reasons to observe some simple formalities. There are also reasons for undermining them. The school was undermining the stature of the USA. And they knew it - that is why they were doing it.


157 posted on 11/25/2005 5:18:13 PM PST by Mr. Rational (God gave me a brain and expects me to use it)
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To: chicagolady
Was this the kid who originally said he didn't stand because her feared that it would affect his ability to enlist in the military?

Oh yeah, he was.

I wonder what happened to that version of the story.

Seriously, I wonder.

158 posted on 11/25/2005 5:18:17 PM PST by TankerKC (Done with the NFL..)
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To: Melas
If they're bullying MY son when I know he's right and they're wrong, you're darn right I stand up for him. After all, to do otherwise means I'm (a) no better than they are; (b) tacitly telling my son that he's wrong; and (c) undermining the very values I must have taught him to encourage this kind of behavior in the first place.

This is SCHOOL -- it's supposed to teach the proper lessons. I personally admire the student and the parents for doing this and acting out for the proper lessons here. My family just spent about twenty minutes at our dinner table reading this letter aloud and discussing the ramifications. They're doing exaclty what I hope my kids can do someday.

So do I pick my battles? Yes. But do I number this among those worth fighting? Absolutely -- it didn't cost a bunch of money, it didn't involve jail time, it didn't lead to loss of income or a job, and it didn't involve fighting in a faraway war... heck, on that scale, if this isn't worth fighting over, then what is??

Let's train our kids to grow up to battle over things like this so that they are equipped to fight the wars and political enemies that matter to families other than our own. That's a good lesson to learn here.

< / rant>

159 posted on 11/25/2005 5:21:27 PM PST by alancarp (Will hack code for oil)
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To: Focault's Pendulum
I suggest you check in with JimRob and learn who I am.

I didn't realize that Jim provided that service. I assume that you are SOMEBODY. Do tell.

*snicker*

160 posted on 11/25/2005 5:22:29 PM PST by TankerKC (Done with the NFL..)
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