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To: bigsigh

"[O]ur ancestors established their system of government on morality and religious sentiment. Moral habits, they believed, cannot safely be trusted on any other foundation than religious principle, nor any government be secure which is not supported by moral habits."
-- Daniel Webster, American Jurist and Senator

Of all the dispositions and habits which least to political
prosperity, Religion and morality are indespensable supports.
In vain would that man claim the tribute of Patriotism who should
labor to subvert these great Pilliars of human happiness."
-- George Washington (Farewell Address, 19 September 1796)

"The only assurance of our nation's safety is to lay our foundation in morality and religion."
-- Abraham Lincoln

"[W]hen People are universally ignorant, and debauched in their Manners, they will sink under their own weight without the Aid of foreign Invaders." --Samuel Adams

"History fails to record a single precedent in which nations subject to moral decay have not passed into political and economic decline. There has been either a spiritual awakening to overcome the moral lapse, or a progressive deterioration leading to ultimate national disaster." -- General Douglas MacArthur

"It is impossible that a nation of infidels or idolaters should be a nation of free men. It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains. A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom." --Patrick Henry

"The moral principles and precepts contained in the scriptures ought to form the basis of all our civil constitutions and laws. All the miseries and evils which men suffer from vice, crime, ambition, injustice, oppression, slavery, and war, proceed from their despising or neglecting the precepts contained in the Bible." Noah Webster, compiler of the American Dictionary of the English Language in 1828.

“We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us ... to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God.” -James Madison

And finally, to disprove the false argument that basic morality as taught in the Bible is somehow sectarian:

"Reading, reflection and time have convinced me that the interests of society require the observation of those moral precepts ... in which all religions agree." --Thomas Jefferson

Happy Thanks Giving!


41 posted on 11/24/2005 8:46:42 AM PST by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah

46 is for you dear.


49 posted on 11/24/2005 8:58:43 AM PST by bigsigh
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To: little jeremiah
I know you'll reply with your usual list of things zealots collect, so let me do my bottom line and leave.

Your crusade is against homosexuals couched under the disguise of fighting a monolithic agenda. It is classic propaganda technique. You can post all kinds of pap here claiming to fight the agenda, but the real deal is you hate homosexuals and want them to go away, because of your religious beliefs, supposedly christian.

You mention the Bible and the Ten Commandments as if they should be codified in our laws. I guess we should reinstate slavery and have laws against worshipping false gods.

Other than the anti-american,poison you and others are spitting out here, there's a serious logical flaw in what you are doing. The agenda may contain numerous items. Are they all bad ideas because they are on the agenda? What are the odds they are all bad. Even the dems get a platform plank right and the repubs one wrong now and then. These rights and claims by homosexuals deserve to be taken one at a time and instituted or dismissed. It is the idea that is important, not the source.

There is a world of difference between school curriculum for kids and homos getting married. You don't make any distinctions. You are not only a zealot, you are intellectually lazy.

Please spend as much time as you want posting selective quotes from 200 years ago or some of that "scientific" research you have collected. I'm out.

May you and your family, and homosexuals have a Happy Thanksgiving!

58 posted on 11/24/2005 9:25:28 AM PST by bigsigh
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