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1 posted on 11/23/2005 1:30:57 PM PST by jdege
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I believe that there is no credible evidence that carrying a concealed firearm reduces crime and that passing a concealed carry law in Wisconsin will do more harm than good.

Sorry Adam, but your belief - not matter how sincerely held it may be - does not change the FACT that violent crime rates have declined everywhere concealed carry has been enacted. Of course, perhaps Wisconsin will be different, just like the socialists always think that the next place to try socialism will be successful because the right people will be in charge there.

24 posted on 11/23/2005 1:37:30 PM PST by VRWCmember
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Concealed weapons are a horrible idea. They've adversely affected criminality everywhere this has been tried.

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...and just think of all the children's books we would have missed had concealed carry been legal in Tookie Williams' day!

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Bloody typos...

25 posted on 11/23/2005 1:37:45 PM PST by Redcloak (We'll raise up our glasses against evil forces singin' "whiskey for my men and beer for my horses!")
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can anyone explain to me the logic of saying "hey, you. you're a citizen, we have no problem with you owning a gun, you can protect yourself and your family in your house with it, you can carry it in the woods hunting, but you can't carry it on the street."
and worse, the ones who say "you can't carry it concealed, but you can carry it open. but if you carry it open you will very likely be harrassed, and will face possibility of charges for 'brandishing a firearm.'"


26 posted on 11/23/2005 1:38:14 PM PST by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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he is, plain and simple, an ignorant man. it has been proven time and again that concealed carry WORKS. it has lowered crime everywhere it has been used, and my concealed carry permit has lowered crime in my neighbor


27 posted on 11/23/2005 1:38:29 PM PST by phil112
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Hmmm. Must be one of those cops who has a .40 Glock "just going off" in its holster from time to time.


28 posted on 11/23/2005 1:40:23 PM PST by Kokojmudd (Outsource the US Senate to Mexico! Pul Walmart in charge of all Federal agencies!)
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The Wisconsin law against carrying a concealed firearm has worked effectively for over 130 years

Crime was real bad 130 years ago compared to today?

29 posted on 11/23/2005 1:40:35 PM PST by beltfed308 (Cloth or link. Happiness is a perfect trunnion.)
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In other news, Bushmaster has made a top loading, internal magazine AR-15 to meet California laws!

So, for those of you in the liberal occupied State of California, you can own an AR-15! (sort of)


30 posted on 11/23/2005 1:40:40 PM PST by CodeToad
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It is relatively easy to get and C and C permit here in Florida and no uptick in crime rate. The fact that one out of fifty you encounter may be packing may be more like a deterrant.
I kinda like the idea of an old forty five colt stapped on gunslinger style. NOTHING concealed. You know what I have.So bad boys what you going to do. Bwahahahahahahaha!


31 posted on 11/23/2005 1:40:44 PM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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I agree with him, partially.

I think that people should be allowed to carry their guns in plain sight. That way, there will be no doubt that individuals are prepared to defend themselves, and that criminals prey upon them at their own risk.


32 posted on 11/23/2005 1:41:17 PM PST by Sue Bob
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What a maroon this guy is. He only wants cops and retired cops to be able to carry.


33 posted on 11/23/2005 1:41:28 PM PST by eastforker (Under Cover FReeper going dark(too much 24))
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An armed society is a polite society. Ive heard more than once that more women in Texas carry than any other state. Texas also has the lowest rates on assault on women.


34 posted on 11/23/2005 1:41:52 PM PST by DogBarkTree
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If anything, crime may increase
I suppose it is possible that Wisconsin is different that EVERY OTHER STATE that allows concealed carry.
35 posted on 11/23/2005 1:41:53 PM PST by GrandEagle
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Florida has a CC law and it's working great. Goons think twice about sticking up law biding citizens, and contrary to the concerns of liberals, it's not the wild wild west. If there had been a case of abuse it would have made the front page of every liberal newspaper in Florida. And it hasn't.

Turns out the bad guys don't bother to get a CC permit, and the good guys who do, don't abuse it. There it is - the obvious once again. Criminals break the laws, law biding citizens, don't.

36 posted on 11/23/2005 1:42:20 PM PST by GOPJ (The costs of launching an attack on America is high.)
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I agree that retired law enforcement professionals should be permitted to carry a concealed firearm as long as they follow state and federal laws and those policies presented to them by their former law enforcement agencies.

Why are they so special and the common American citizen not?

37 posted on 11/23/2005 1:42:26 PM PST by frogjerk (LIBERALISM - Being miserable for no good reason)
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"I agree that retired law enforcement professionals should be permitted to carry a concealed firearm as long as they follow state and federal laws and those policies presented to them by their former law enforcement agencies."

Ah. An elitist. He and his cohorts are OBVIOUSLY much smarter, trainable, responsible and more astute than any private citizen could possibly be.


38 posted on 11/23/2005 1:42:59 PM PST by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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As a former Police Officer I can safely say that that guy is an idiot.


39 posted on 11/23/2005 1:43:17 PM PST by Lancer_N3502A
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Allowing Wisconsin residents to carry concealed firearms may not reduce crime. If anything, crime may increase and there will be, without a doubt, more firearms in our homes and on our streets.

MAY not reduce crime? MAY increase crime? How about some facts, lad? Why don't you check a study of real life effects before you lecture us about what MAY happen, given the level of research you have out into this piece.

44 posted on 11/23/2005 1:44:59 PM PST by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton)
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Ahh...Wisonsin. Perhaps the only state as liberal as Massachusetts and California...and I live in Massachusetts, so I know.

Madison is a nest of liberal moonbattery.


45 posted on 11/23/2005 1:45:16 PM PST by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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Sorry but in a way I agree; maybe we should be allowed to wear holsters, then they won't be concealed.


47 posted on 11/23/2005 1:45:47 PM PST by SF Republican
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I agree that retired law enforcement professionals should be permitted to carry a concealed firearm

In other words you want the right to carry but deny me the same. Bite me!

48 posted on 11/23/2005 1:45:50 PM PST by chesty_puller (USMC 70-73 3MAF VN 70-71)
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