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Allowing concealed guns a bad idea
Coulee News ^ | November 23, 2005 | ADAM A. MEYERS

Posted on 11/23/2005 1:30:56 PM PST by jdege

Allowing concealed guns a bad idea

By ADAM A. MEYERS Racine, Wis.

I am a police officer with the Racine Police Department and a part-time police officer for another community in Racine County. This is strictly my opinion and I am not speaking on behalf of the communities or law enforcement agencies that employ me.

The Wisconsin law against carrying a concealed firearm has worked effectively for over 130 years. Deciding to pass a concealed carry law in Wisconsin that will allow almost every adult to carry a concealed firearm is a potentially dangerous decision.

Carrying a concealed firearm and deciding to shoot another human being is different from what is perceived on television, in the movies or while playing a video game. Allowing Wisconsin residents to carry concealed firearms may not reduce crime. If anything, crime may increase and there will be, without a doubt, more firearms in our homes and on our streets.

I strongly support the ability for people to defend themselves, but I don’t believe that carrying a concealed firearm is the only way to accomplish this. There are a lot of responsibilities that come with carrying a concealed firearm and being able to effectively use it against someone in their self-defense or in the defense of another human being.

I agree that retired law enforcement professionals should be permitted to carry a concealed firearm as long as they follow state and federal laws and those policies presented to them by their former law enforcement agencies.

I believe that there is no credible evidence that carrying a concealed firearm reduces crime and that passing a concealed carry law in Wisconsin will do more harm than good.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: banglist; ccw; dope; rtc; shallissue; wisconsin
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To: eastforker
Dude - the Ruger Mini-30:

http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/P-CategoryRiflesCA.html

161 posted on 11/23/2005 3:37:06 PM PST by an amused spectator (If Social Security isn't broken, then cut me a check for the cash I have into it.)
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To: eastforker

My bad - Mini-30 is x39mm, not x51mm.


162 posted on 11/23/2005 3:40:30 PM PST by an amused spectator (If Social Security isn't broken, then cut me a check for the cash I have into it.)
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To: an amused spectator

Am glad to see I am not the only one to make themselves look foolish.


163 posted on 11/23/2005 3:42:59 PM PST by eastforker (Under Cover FReeper going dark(too much 24))
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To: CodeToad
Bushmaster has made a top loading, internal magazine AR-15

Bah Humbug!

164 posted on 11/23/2005 3:44:11 PM PST by El Gato
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To: Russ
The reason to carry a concealed weapon isn't that it will reduce crime because it probably doesn't.

According to John Lott's studies, which use data gathered from all applicable jurisdicitions, rather than a cherry picked few, it does.

165 posted on 11/23/2005 3:45:41 PM PST by El Gato
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To: jdege

What makes retired police officers so much more special than regular competent citizens who have tested that they know how to handle firearms and don't have a criminal records?

One of the purposes of the second ammendment is to make "authority figures" nervous of "stepping over the line" and to remind them who signs their paychecks. Giving them special rights circumvents this.


166 posted on 11/23/2005 3:48:15 PM PST by rasblue
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To: lexington minuteman 1775
It is relatively easy to get and C and C permit here in Florida and no uptick in crime rate.

What? Florida didn't become the "Gunshine State"? Neither did Texas, or any of the other 35 some states which have "shall issue" CHL and in Alaska (one of the 35) and Vermont which provide for "Carry What you want, when and how you want to", just like "right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" requires.

167 posted on 11/23/2005 3:51:20 PM PST by El Gato
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To: eastforker
Am glad to see I am not the only one to make themselves look foolish.

Didn't want you to feel lonely... ;-)

168 posted on 11/23/2005 3:54:48 PM PST by an amused spectator (If Social Security isn't broken, then cut me a check for the cash I have into it.)
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To: jdege
I believe that there is no credible evidence that carrying a concealed firearm reduces crime and that passing a concealed carry law in Wisconsin will do more harm than good.

What cave has this troglodyte been living in for the last 20 years? Somebody please mail him a copy of Professor Lott's book, and someone else please read it to him.

169 posted on 11/23/2005 3:56:18 PM PST by epow ("Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people" Prov. 14:34)
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To: jdege

I'm unclear here... Has there yet to be a locale where concealed carry was introduced that had an increase in crime?

Anywhere? Anywhere?

Nope, always it is an across the board decrease in crime, and the local hospitals usually report fewer gunshot victims.


170 posted on 11/23/2005 4:00:21 PM PST by kingu (I'm a liberal's worst nightmare - a conservative that votes.)
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To: lexington minuteman 1775
It is relatively easy to get and C and C permit here in Florida and no uptick in crime rate

I was living in FL in '87 when the shall issue CCW law was passed. IIRC the FL murder rate fell by almost 1/3 within the first 5 years after the law went into effect. The antis tried to account for the drop in crime by all kinds of other excuses, but everyone knew that the fact that law abiding people could now legally carry concealed firearms was primarily responsible.

171 posted on 11/23/2005 4:02:59 PM PST by epow ("Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people" Prov. 14:34)
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To: BlackbirdSST

WTG Blackbird...and thanks for your service!


172 posted on 11/23/2005 4:22:57 PM PST by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: ghostmonkey

"At the same time, I can't help but wonder why so much hatred and invective posting comes from supposed conservative message boards for the Police."

Two reasons 1.)Too many cops are pussy bullies.
2.)Too many cops who aren't pussy bulllies don't do anything when they see their fellows abusing their authority or even breaking the law.

Police THEMSELVES are responsible for much of the contempt for the uniform that many freepers and people in general feel.

There is nothing more dangerous to a cops life on the job than disrespect for the uniform.


173 posted on 11/23/2005 4:53:48 PM PST by TalBlack
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To: jdege
I haven't read all the posts, though I intend to do so, so someone (or a number of folks) saw this too:

I strongly support the ability for people to defend themselves, but I don’t believe that carrying a concealed firearm is the only way to accomplish this.

A firearm is certainly not the only way to protect yourself but in most instances it surely is the best way. What does this man want? A 100-lb. lady to duke it out with a 250-lb. brute? Damn, but he lacks even the basics of logical thinking.

174 posted on 11/23/2005 5:08:18 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: chesty_puller
In other words you want the right to carry but deny me the same. Bite me!

That's how I see it too.

175 posted on 11/23/2005 5:23:07 PM PST by planekT (<- http://www.wadejacoby.com/pedro/ ->)
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To: jdege
Allowing Wisconsin residents to carry concealed firearms may not reduce crime. If anything, crime may increase and there will be, without a doubt, more firearms in our homes and on our streets.

I wonder why Wisconsin is so different from all of the other states that have done it--all had a large drop in crime.

I agree that retired law enforcement professionals should be permitted to carry a concealed firearm as long as they follow state and federal laws and those policies presented to them by their former law enforcement agencies.

I see, so the police can protect themselves but the lowly citizens shouldn't? Why are law-abiding citizens presumed to not be responsible enough to carry concealed?

This letter sounds like a plant. The guy probably isn't really an officer.

176 posted on 11/23/2005 5:35:42 PM PST by The Toad
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To: jdege

david.spenner@cityofracine.org

This link is the Racine City Police Department feedback link to the Chief of Police, David Spenner

Adam Meyers does not appear on the organization chart or in their published directory.

Why not let the chief know that based on this man's writings, it doesn't appear he has the judgement to carry a firearm competantly.


177 posted on 11/23/2005 5:38:19 PM PST by School of Rational Thought (Republican - The thinking people's party)
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To: jdege

ADAM A. MEYERS is one of the most egotistical Aholes I have ever had the misfortune of hearing.

What a pompous A$$!

Only Adam understands the ramifications of taking someones life in self defense.
Only Adam knows how to diffuse a situation without deadly force.
Adam is an egocentric idiot with a God complex.


178 posted on 11/23/2005 5:44:37 PM PST by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: jdege
His Quote

"I agree that retired law enforcement professionals should be permitted to carry a concealed firearm....

and the unspoken:

But not you "little people"...

B.I.O.Y.S. bub

179 posted on 11/23/2005 5:47:07 PM PST by two23
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To: jdege
The London Daily Mirror is of the opinion that Officer Adam A. Meyers is full of crap in thinking that he requires a firearm for his own personal protection.  I wonder how he would feel if his right to self defense is deemed unnecessary. 
180 posted on 11/23/2005 5:47:20 PM PST by Ghengis (Alexander was a wuss!)
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