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To: azhenfud; All

And it seems to me that there are about a million and one lies being told about this stuff, or maybe it's the case that nobody has the smallest clue as to what the truth is.

You always hear illegals pay taxes, but you never hear what those taxes are. Are they sales taxes? Property taxes? Are they income taxes remitted by employers and returns never filed by the workers?

In this case, was the employee paying premiums for this guy and then they (or the insurance co.) balked when it came time to pay the benefit? Or are all these workers so cheap to hire because taxes, insurance premiums, etc. are all avoided due to the workers being illegal?

The fact of the matter is if the guy had died in the desert or drowned in the Rio Grande no one but he would be responsible for that. But presuming he made money for his employer he deserved compensation for his injury.

This has all become such a huge bundle of illegalities, untruths, and discrimination (against these workers as well as native born and legal immigrants), I don't see how it can ever be untangled and resolved.

But, it becomes increasingly clear that cracking down on the employers must be part of the picture. But, please bear in mind, the last time this was tried the squawking got really loud, really fast, and it was dropped as soon as it had started.


50 posted on 11/23/2005 12:28:47 PM PST by jocon307
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To: jocon307
But, please bear in mind, the last time this was tried the squawking got really loud, really fast, and it was dropped as soon as it had started.

Well, the squawking is the cry of every criminal. Some squawk all the way to the electric chair. Employers that hire these Illegals are criminals as well as traitors. They are traitors to this country, they are traitors to every American, including their own family and friends. Send 'em all to jail till they rot. We'll all be the better for it, and it's long overdue. Blackbird.

60 posted on 11/23/2005 2:39:45 PM PST by BlackbirdSST
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To: jocon307

Most illegals work for cash under the table and do NOT appear on anyone's payroll, so no FICA, Fed, State is taken out. The employer does not pay his share of FICA or unemployment or workers comp so there is the big savings to the employer, plus they do work for less $$ usually- not always.

Some use fake IDs to work and do pay all of the above and so does employer- BUT, they can't draw against what is payed in by/for them because the name on the payroll is fake or someone else's.

Legal foreign workers with a green card work under their own name and depending on the rules they fall under or their type of work they do pay into all of the above. The only reason I mention this group is some have said they pay into Social Security and then are not allowed to draw it- I don't know.

There is a gray area worker who does report income, using a TPIN number, not sure how that works- but that is really a scam they started doing a few years ago to get the earned income tax refund checks, most get a bigger refund than they paid in. Also they can use this TPIN instead of a SSN to get credit/home mortgage. As I recall, this was actually dreamed up by a nationwide tax service to expand their customers.

All of these groups of course pay sales and other taxes when they make purchases, though most of their money is sent back to Mexico, so not much is spent here. Some are homeowners, yes even illegals can get a mortgage, of course if they own a home they would pay property tax.


65 posted on 11/23/2005 3:07:23 PM PST by Tammy8 (Build a Real Border Fence, and enforce Immigration Laws!!!)
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