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To: spintreebob
Every poll I've seen lists Rice the "front runner" with nobody else even close to her. When she is taken out of the field, Rudy is the "front runner".

Something between 1/3 and 1/2 of the Religious Right is incapable of abetting abortion by casting a vote for a pro-abortion candidate.

You'd better be prepared to lose them and hope that Dims will cross over to a liberal Republican with a nominee like Rice or Guiliani.
12 posted on 11/23/2005 5:44:20 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: George W. Bush
yes its that '1/2 to 1/3 of the religious right' like dummie-crats seem to have never read then Constitution either ! The President doesn't rule by decree ! He(or she) can't require that abortions occur ! Also if a Rice or Guiliani got elected President they would still be appointing federal & supreme court judges from a pool of candidates proposed (read vetted) by the GOP. The VAST majority of those candidates would have limit to rollback abortion views. I have never understood the desire to let the 'perfect' be the enemy of 'good enough'. We got in this predicament incrementally and that is the only way we can successfully 'walk back the dog' ! If Rice or Guiliani are the Veep candidates then the 'religious rights' desire to sit out is even sillier ! If you are fervent in your antiabortion believes a Guilliani (or Rice) as President is at least going to allow you at the table to discuss your views. If its a Hillary or some other dummiecrat then you not even in the house, the yard on the block ! You are completely marginalized to the point of irrelevance !
Before some zealot condemns me, I am antiabortion !
BUT first you have to win or everything else is academic ! Of course one can whine & claim that you would be voting against your convictions. I say all you are doing is feeding your own ego,you would be basking in your own self-satified sense of moral superiority (Like liberals do !) BUT actually doing nothing concrete to advance your goals. (Again like many liberals do !) Sometimes one's convictions must take the long view and success doesn't have to occur in one's. lifetime. What is key is the direction that the cente-of-mass that the cultural takes and whether you are supporting candidates that keep the momentum going ! Self absorbed temper tantrums advance the enemies agenda not ours !

The Moonbat wing of the dummiecrats understand that key fact ! That they have to hold their nose and vote for someone who at least appears reasonable to the proletariat. (At least that is how they view the electorate! In their mind the whole election annoyance s can be dealt with after power is gained !)
20 posted on 11/23/2005 11:30:57 AM PST by Reily (Reilly (Dr Doom))
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To: George W. Bush

Look at the pro-life run polls on pro-life sites mostly frequented by pro-life conservatives.

Consistently, Rice runs strongest. Consistently when Rice is out of the list, Rudy runs strongest. (When Rice is in the list, she takes most of Rudy's support plus significant support from every other candidate in the poll, including Brownback.)

The reality is that unlike the pro-abort faction most pro-lifers actually don't vote, especially in primaries (with Nov '94 the exception). The reality is that most voters, including more GOP primary voters are not single issue voters. They are pro-life. But it is not a litmus test for them. What is a litmus test for most voters is mean-spiritedness.

In 2002 IL primary pro-abortion Republican Woods was doing quite well in January, especially among the PTA moms (aka soccer moms). Then abortion extremists ran extremely strident pro-abortion TV ads. Immediately she lost half her support, especially from those PTA moms. she lost that support, not because of the position she took. But because her ads were so abrasive and rubbed people the wrong way.

The same was true of Keyes in 2004. A sympathetic reporter in Republican Bloomington IL asked Keyes "You were ambassador to the UN and have international experience. Tell us your views on Iraq and the international situation."

Keyes gave a hostile pro-life answer and did very poorly on election day.

The people on both extremes of the life issue do not realize that most people are neither truly pro nor anti-life. They want to avoid the issue, which makes them uncomfortable. They want to avoid any person who makes them uncomfortable in the way that he raises the issue.


22 posted on 11/23/2005 12:56:31 PM PST by spintreebob
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