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Tancredo Plots Anti-Immigration 2008 Campaign
New York Sun ^ | November 22, 2005 | MEGHAN CLYNE

Posted on 11/22/2005 12:28:26 PM PST by Icelander

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To: Icelander
"While the Colorado congressman's message might win votes as a hot-button issue in 2008 and 2012, Mr. McIntyre said, demographic trends suggested the position might prove electoral poison in 2016 and beyond as the American electorate becomes increasingly Hispanic, and if the Tancredo platform paints national Republicans as "anti-immigrant."

This is why we needed to do something about illegal immigration yesterday. The anchor babies the Hispanics have been having will be eligible to vote.


"For Republicans to succeed in quieting Mr. Tancredo, satisfying the base's yearning for a serious immigration policy, and to avoid being tarred as nativist, it would be necessary for the GOP to nominate a popular candidate with a reputation for being a moderate-such as Senator McCain, of Arizona, or Mayor Giuliani - who would then embrace the issue in the 2008 campaign."

I want someone who's a nativist. All other countries can be nativist and should be.
281 posted on 11/22/2005 9:48:49 PM PST by Razz Barry
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To: Jigsaw John

Thank you. I'm going to sleep now before I inadvertantly tilt a Third World country into chaos (I'm joking but saw another poster screwing with a small country yesterday morning).

We can't underestimate our voiced opinions here. Too often I've seen the proverbial pebble dropped only to see the rebounding wave reflected with resulting law. Like Sam Raimi accentuated in his "Spiderman" films: "with great power comes great responsibility."


282 posted on 11/22/2005 9:50:12 PM PST by NewRomeTacitus (Space Mountain may be the oldest ride in the park but it still has the longest line. Whooo!)
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To: af_vet_rr

"He won't get out of the gates. The mainstream GOP and the mainstream media will both ignore him, which leaves his campaign DOA."

Maybe. But don't be so sure. The party bosses no longer control nominations. Primaries contol nominations. And if Tancredo can make a good showing in the early primaries, the money and the media will flow to him.


283 posted on 11/22/2005 10:32:16 PM PST by navyblue
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To: mbraynard

"See, this isn't about ideology or comprimosing principles or about personalities or people. It's about whether or not you are a G D retard and can't do match."

That kind of talk will sure bring a lot of conservatives over to your side. Insult the conservatives and then expect them to vote RINO, I don't think so.


284 posted on 11/23/2005 6:19:53 AM PST by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: Icelander

he might be waiting to see how Gilchrist is going to do.


285 posted on 11/23/2005 6:23:36 AM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

I don't know what polls should have to do with it. It more has to do with how the candidates do in the primaries. If they pull more than 5% in those races, then there is concrete evidence of support, and they should be in the debates. I believe Nader was able to do that in some of the states. It doesn't matter any how. It is the Electoral College that counts in the end, and it would be very easy to have someone with way less than 40% of the vote becoming President if there were a strong 3rd party candidate. I am not in favor of that. I wish the two main parties would give us someone worth voting for, but those days are long gone.


286 posted on 11/23/2005 6:50:28 AM PST by Sioux-san (God save the Sheeple)
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To: mbraynard
"A smarter move is to form a coalition/caucus WITHIN one of the two parties"

This is exactly what Tancredo is doing. By voting for him in the primaries we are giving validity to his cause and forcing the other candidates to heed his message.

Of course the RINO's will tell us that by voting for someone other than the consensus frontrunner we would be undermining the eventual candidate and putting him/her in a bad place relative to the Demos candidate.

So, for example, if Condi were to run in 2008 and she made no suggestions that she would crack down on illegal immigration, it would be right (both ideologically and pragmatically) to vote for Tancredo.

However, the RINO's would say that it would only make us out to be racists and sexists and would undermine Condi when she goes up against Hitlery.

This is all BS though because it is finally official that our votes do not count. If the margin of victory is large, than any one vote is immaterial. However, when the margin of victory is small our votes are overwhelmed by waste, fraud, and abuse ... made even easier by motor voter, absentee voting, early voting, and computer voting.

If we vote against illegal immigration then we are supposedly going to be labeled racist and lose the Hispanic vote. If we vote in favor of illegal immigration ... oops I meant to say a guest worker program ... then we will be overwhelmed by the illegal Hispanic vote.

And if it is too damn easy to become a US citizen, then the value of US citizenship is debased. And if it means less and less to be a US citizen then our votes our debased, our livelihoods are debased, and the whole enchilada is debased.

287 posted on 11/23/2005 8:20:30 AM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: NewRomeTacitus

Man, that was a clever idea! She won't show : )


288 posted on 11/23/2005 9:36:46 AM PST by calrighty (. Troops BTTT)
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To: taxed2death; NewRomeTacitus; All

It's a funny thing;I was recently in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia dealing with financiers and investment bankers, and all of them are aware Bush is flooding the U.S. with illegals. Most of them can't understand why he would sell out America. Something else you should know. Most Asian countries love and respect America. Do not believe the bullcrap we see on televion showing foreign country after foreign country badmouthing us. It is pure propaganda!


289 posted on 11/23/2005 9:44:36 AM PST by calrighty (. Troops BTTT)
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To: calrighty

Finance professionals in Malaysia having more reverence for our country than our own press and President...just amazing. Hope your deal comes through.


290 posted on 11/23/2005 10:16:36 AM PST by NewRomeTacitus
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To: MikeinIraq
The GOP can do better than Tancredo.

Tancredo has an extremely high rating from the American Conservative Union. Do you think the GOP should move more to the middle?

291 posted on 11/23/2005 10:19:39 AM PST by jmc813 (Compassionate Conservatism is Gay)
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To: PRND21
Three peas in an isolated pod.

The picture you posted has only two people in it.

292 posted on 11/23/2005 10:37:51 AM PST by jmc813 (Compassionate Conservatism is Gay)
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To: jmc813

Did I say I have a problem with his positions?

If you want a guy with a high rating with the ACU to lose, then get behind Tancredo.

Maybe the GOP should find a guy with a high ACU rating that can WIN.


293 posted on 11/23/2005 10:59:41 AM PST by MikefromOhio
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To: WatchingInAmazement

That is me giving you a glimpse of what will happen.

And if you think I am bad, just WAIT until the MSM thinks he is a threat.


294 posted on 11/23/2005 11:01:20 AM PST by MikefromOhio
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To: NewRomeTacitus
More often than not you have insinuated that we should ditch/give up/forget about the thousand plus lives who gave everything they had to help Iraq and Afghanistan attain the semblance of democracy.

You are friggin blind and a LIAR. PROVE IT. You can't.
295 posted on 11/23/2005 11:02:03 AM PST by MikefromOhio
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To: Icelander
Tancredo Plots Anti-Immigration 2008 Campaign

Catchy title. Completely false, but catchy.

296 posted on 11/23/2005 11:02:56 AM PST by moehoward
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To: NewRomeTacitus
Can we agree that the Immigration Lottery and it's backward policies should be overturned for the far more sensible policy of allowing the best and the brightest to take root here?

That has never been my debate with Tancredo. My problem with him is that he does not get his message across clearly enough to overcome the screaming we all KNOW will be coming if he gets the nod. As a communicator, Reagan he is not.

As I have said, I agree with a lot of things with Tancredo, but that doesn't mean I think he can win the Presidency. And there is quite a bit of risk therein. Especially considering who the Dems are going to run. We want to put up the most conservative yet STRONGEST candidate we can field. For the Dems, 2008 is 4th and goal at the 3 with no time outs and the clock running.....We as a group MUST go out with all cylinders firing or else the GOP will be in trouble.
297 posted on 11/23/2005 11:05:35 AM PST by MikefromOhio
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To: Icelander

Whoever wins in '08 will have bigger things to deal with than immigration. It's big, but nuclear war is bigger.


298 posted on 11/23/2005 11:05:51 AM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: MikeinIraq
Maybe the GOP should find a guy with a high ACU rating that can WIN.

I didn't realize you were talking about a presidential nomination. I thought you were just saying that in general, they could do better than Tom.

I actually prefer Mike Pence and Mark Sanford myself. Tancredo had a few anti-gun votes after Columbine, and I personally have a VERY long memory when it comes to 2nd Amendment rights.

299 posted on 11/23/2005 11:06:32 AM PST by jmc813 (Compassionate Conservatism is Gay)
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To: jmc813
The picture you posted has only two people in it.

Can you guess who the third partner is?


300 posted on 11/23/2005 11:49:18 AM PST by PRND21
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