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Tancredo Plots Anti-Immigration 2008 Campaign
New York Sun ^ | November 22, 2005 | MEGHAN CLYNE

Posted on 11/22/2005 12:28:26 PM PST by Icelander

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To: Icelander
immigration and illegal immigration are not synonymous
181 posted on 11/22/2005 3:53:38 PM PST by School of Rational Thought (Republican - The thinking people's party)
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To: Constantine XIII
Unless you count keeping Kerry, Kennedy, Pelosi, Boxer, etc and so forth, away from the levers of power as being a waste of time, I don't know that I can agree with that. :P

This is facetious, right? Or, are you actually claiming that by electing Bush we have nullified this cabal of politicians? Have you been watching the news lately? They sure seem to be running Congress when put up against the neutered Republicans.

182 posted on 11/22/2005 3:54:16 PM PST by raybbr
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To: Icelander
With 82% of the population supporting immigration law enforcement, Tancredo could very well win.

This author, among other things, is terrified of that possibility, and uses a "Preemptive Strike" of bashing the reader over the head with "NO, NO, NO, it's not real,it's not real, he doesn't really want to win, he doesn't really want to win"

The author is hoping the conversation starts at that point, rather than at the point where many people are talking about this candidate.
183 posted on 11/22/2005 4:07:32 PM PST by starbase (One singular sensation.)
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To: COEXERJ145; PRND21

You guys having fun talking to each other?


184 posted on 11/22/2005 4:10:54 PM PST by raybbr
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
Unlike the Democrat Platform, the Republican's will not support fisting.

Ah. The old parade of imaginary horribles with a sense of humor thrown into the process.

In 2016 I'm voting

Might want to wear gloves when voting. Some of the prior voters were undoubtedly Democrat and their platform suggests they engaged in hand activities that are not sanitary.

185 posted on 11/22/2005 4:20:09 PM PST by peyton randolph (Warning! It is illegal to fatwah a camel in all 50 states)
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To: peyton randolph
"Ah. The old parade of imaginary horribles with a sense of humor thrown into the process"

Let's see about a parade of "horribles" (stated as if such a parade is not already ongoing):

1) Elimination of Dept. of Education to expansion of its budget and agenda.

2) Respect for U.S. Boders to defeatism in the face of illegal immigration.

3) Constant mention of the depravity of abortion (and specific references to it being murder) to barely enough votes to pass parental notification in some states.

4) Sodomy illegal to sodomy ratified by support of domestic partner laws and homosexual adoptions.

5) No smoking near a gas pump to no smoking within 25 ft of the entrance of any public building.

The slope is not always slippery, but there IS a slope, and we are spending much more time sliding down it than working our way back up.

186 posted on 11/22/2005 4:34:43 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: bybybill
Phyllis was the one who first suggested that the Equal Rights Amendment would ultimately lead to gay marriage. Her argument was that if men and women were viewed as identical before the law, then a man marrying a man is no different than a man marrying a woman.

A few years ago the Hawaiian supreme court used that very argument based on their own state ERA to support gay marriage.

It took an act by the Hawaiian legislature to overturn that decision, but it turns out it is too late as we currently see what is going on in Vermont, Massachusetts, etc.

She may seem silly to you, but she was prescient.

187 posted on 11/22/2005 4:39:47 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: who_would_fardels_bear; rdb3; Graybeard58
Equal RIGHTS does NOT mean equal privileges. Just because both men and women have the right to vote, doesn't mean it's ok for gay marriage. That's an asinine comment and the weakest argument I think I have EVER seen against Equal Rights.

The Liberals are the ones taking it too far, not things like not smoking at a gas pump (DUR DUR DUR Puff KABOOM ring a bell?).
188 posted on 11/22/2005 4:42:50 PM PST by MikefromOhio
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To: Jigsaw John

I give up, you obviously are not getting my point. Get use to referring to Madam President after 2008 and I don't mean Condi.


189 posted on 11/22/2005 4:48:00 PM PST by traderrob6
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To: TLI
Withhold your vote and have it counted as well. Vote Constitution party, it shows BOTH parties the votes they COULD have had.

I used to be sucked into this faulty thinking myself. I even donated to the Constitution Party. I wish I had my money back. They're flawed humans just like the Republican party. I was offended when Philips ran ads against Bush, not Gore or Kerry.

Philips may not like Bush but the RATS are much worse and he didn't bother talking about the evil of the RATS. Philips is only trying to keep a money flow going. He's not serious about fixing anything. I'll keep my fight in the Republican party, thank you.

190 posted on 11/22/2005 4:49:33 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Icelander

I can't stand that flip-floppin' rino McCain. And Rudy is pro-death. I will vote for whomever Tancredo embarrasses into strong stances against open borders and illegal migrants or for Tom himself if he runs. I'm so done with this weak kneed policy on both sides of the platform that I could just spit.


191 posted on 11/22/2005 4:53:39 PM PST by libertylass
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To: MikeinIraq
A right is something you are granted just by being a citizen. A privilege is something you are granted because you personally exhibit a certain level of resposibility.

Everyone in the U.S. has the right to habeous corpus no matter how despicable. Only some people have the privilege to drive because only some people have passed their driving test, payed their fees, etc.

If the ERA had passed then women would have all rights that men had, and vice-versa. This would have led inexorably to all men and women having the opportunity to apply for all privileges as well. It would only be a matter of passing tests, paying fees, etc. for women to get all the privileges that men enjoyed.

These privileges would have included being available for Selective Service and any potential military draft. It would also have meant employers having to bend over backwards to allow pregnant women to keep jobs even if those jobs endangered their fetuses.

This of course is all besides the point, but to come to the point. Here is the main text of the ERA:

Equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

What the liberals supposedly meant by this was to allow women to be firefighters (even though they couldn't haul 250lbs of dead weight), fight in combat, get special consideration on their way to becoming CEO, etc.

However, since we now know that the Constitution is a "living" document we know that the following rationalization (ala Kennedy, Souter, etc.) would most certainly have followed if the ERA had every become law:

1. A man wants to marry a man
2. The only difference between this and a traditional marriage is that one of the participants is a man
3. To deny them the right (or privilege) to marry would be to do so based entirely on the sex of one of the participants.
4. This is a violation of the ERA. Thus gay marriage is AOK in the USA

Phyllis was right and it was a very good thing that the ERA didn't get ratified for more reasons than women in combat, more affirmative action nonsense, etc.

Unfortunately the liberals found other ways to push their agenda and a lot of pubbies are either supporting them or at least not getting in their way much at all.

192 posted on 11/22/2005 4:58:17 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: traderrob6
I give up, you obviously are not getting my point...

Your point was not difficult to understand. I personally choose not to vote for someone just because others might. I don't vote for an individual due to electability, based on popularity or group-think. But I appreciate your opinion.

193 posted on 11/22/2005 5:00:13 PM PST by Jigsaw John
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To: who_would_fardels_bear; MikeinIraq
Phyllis was the one who first suggested that the Equal Rights Amendment would ultimately lead to gay marriage. Her argument was that if men and women were viewed as identical before the law, then a man marrying a man is no different than a man marrying a woman.

I well remember the "slippery slope" theory, it has been extended to people marrying more than one partner, marrying their pets etc.

I don't totally discount that thinking because I am old enough to remember when divorce was socially looked down upon. It was brought up in Reagan's first campaign for the Presidency. Now with the divorce rate at more than 50% it's just an accepted fact of life.

The birth control pill was controversial at one time too and abortion was not spoken of. Everything changes in society and not always for the better.

194 posted on 11/22/2005 5:02:12 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Jigsaw John

Okay, so you would vote for someone totally simpatico with your beliefs with no chance of being elected before voting for someone with some but not all your beliefs that had an excellent chance of being elected.....have I got that right?


195 posted on 11/22/2005 5:04:55 PM PST by traderrob6
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To: traderrob6
"Get use to referring to Madam President after 2008"

So I am supposed to vote for whatever Republican goes up against Hildebeest because I'm supposed to believe that the end times will come if she is elected.

Her evil husband was president for eight years and we all survived. Even if she were to get elected and re-elected, the nation would still survive.

She might even have to throw in some conservative programs to get re-elected.

We might even get gridlock if the house and/or senate stays Republican.

And if the current administration is spending money like Democrats and looking the other way on massive violation of the law, then I might prefer gridlock and having a few conservative bones thrown my way by Hildebeest rather than Bush merely nodding to the right.

196 posted on 11/22/2005 5:05:16 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Graybeard58
Not to be too picky, but this is not a "slippery slope" argument.

Please see my response to MikeInIraq.

Because the ERA was so vague it could be interpreted in many more ways that was "intended" (or maybe many more ways AS intended!)

197 posted on 11/22/2005 5:07:58 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Constantine XIII
OK, so you don't fear that outcome. For my part, I do fear the direction that both the Democrats and Republicans are taking us in, and I don't really have much of a reason to fear one of them substantially more than the other. That's why I'm voting CP. It has to start somewhere.
198 posted on 11/22/2005 5:08:14 PM PST by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: traderrob6
Okay, so you would vote for someone totally simpatico with your beliefs with no chance of being elected before voting for someone with some but not all your beliefs that had an excellent chance of being elected

I know you didn't ask me but here it is anyway.

I will vote for any Republican before I would vote for Hillary and that includes McCain, whom I deeply dislike.

I cannot think of one single democrat I could vote for with the possible exception of Zell Miller and as far as I know he's not running for anything.

199 posted on 11/22/2005 5:08:54 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: peyton randolph

Okay, and what will our grand coalition be formed of? A bunch of RINO's that what. I prefer to stand on principle and demand that the people who are elected do the same. If not, then we are all a bunch of whores, plain and simple.


200 posted on 11/22/2005 5:09:26 PM PST by vpintheak (Liberal = The antithesis of Freedom and Patriotism)
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