Tancredo Plots Anti-Immigration 2008 Campaign

New York Sun ^ | November 22, 2005 | MEGHAN CLYNE

[calrighty]

R O T F L M A O !!

[cripplecreek]

I'm not buying campaign promises either. They still have time to do more than talk but the time isn't infinite.

[dagnabbit]

Hispanics vote for for liberals. In the medium and long term, increased numbers of Hispanics means mean increased numbers of liberals in Government.

In Presidential elections, the GOP doesn't even try in Gov. Reagan's state any more.

[Icelander]

http://www.nysun.com/article/23350

 

[calrighty]

"That is a popular misconception. Hispanics who can vote are just as supportive of strict immigration policies as anyone else."

Another misconception is illegals are only doing the work Americans are unwilling to do. Every time Bush utters this LIE I wanna puke! Tell that to the 250,000 white/black/brown middle class American construction workers who lost their family livelihood to illegals!

[ZULU]

The only Hispanics who can legally vote are citizens, and despite LaRaza and Mr. Gonzales, polls have indicated most of them are fed up with illegal invaders too.

[calrighty]

Yep we have 5 million of em, and they don't vote Republican. Look at the New mayor of LA Villaregosa
Republican? I think NOT!

[Constantine XIII]

It's harder for the big parties to squeeze them out if it happens in more than one place. Besides, running lots of ads in small districts (aka "throwing money at the opponent") doesn't have as great of an impact if the candiate with moxy can personally visit every registered voter, or at least shake their hand. This is something that requires a couple of decades of organized hard work; something that is in short demand in these days where everyone desires instant gratification.

That hard work, specifically in the form of building an organization from the local level up, is something third parties usually fail to do. Historically, what usually happens is that they become vehicles for the edification of "the boss", whether it be Perot or Peroutka. That will lead nowhere, because either the party will disintigrate when the leader drops out, ala the Reform Party, or it will never get past the phase of being a small knot of self-styled righteous revolutionaries, like the Constitution Party.

Unless a critical mass of the people decide that they will work and suffer for a long time to attain that goal, the overthrow the Republican Party as the flagbearer of the Conservative movement, then the only option, especially for those of us worried about the short term, is to fight it out old-school-style in the primaries.

[af_vet_rr]

So then what do you recommend with regard to the '08 election?

I didn't think George Bush was qualified to be Governor of Texas, but ultimately I voted for him. I didn't think he was qualified to be President, but I still voted for him.

See the trend?

My beliefs haven't changed in the three or so decades that I've been of voting age, but the direction of the GOP has changed, and I wasn't so much voting for George Bush, as voting against his opposition.

We could take a lesson from Howard Dean, as much as he disturbs us, and organize like mad on the internet.

That's the one thing I think no Conservative candidate has truly explored and exploited - the internet. You don't need expensive mailings and a large staff to get your message out, if you can get a lot of technically astute volunteers, and if you can respond quicker and better than everybody else.

Howard Dean didn't win, but he shook things up a little bit, and I think there is a lesson we can use there.

[vpintheak]

YOU'VE GOT TO STAND FOR SOMETHING, OR YOU'LL FALL FOR ANYTHING!!

[Constantine XIII]

You could strip naked, cover yourself with mustard, and run down the streets screaming "Yatta yatta yatta!"

It would also get my attention, but like confrontational, revolution-from-above message of the Contitution Party, it won't change my mind, and it certainly won't get my vote. :)

[SC33]

I used to think he was qualified, but now I'm not so sure. Not governing based on polls is one thing, but ignoring the will of the people you supposedly represent, not to mention discarding common sense, is another thing altogether.

[spectre]

IF our Republican Candidate skirts the Illegal Invasion issue, and doesn't promise to protect our Borders, then I'll vote for Tancredo, rather than not vote at all.

I'd rather President Bush do something well before the next election, but it doesn't look promising for that to happen..

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[Barney Gumble]

That's the wrong wrong wrong attitude. It's the typical establishment Republican attitude. In order to get the Latino vote we have to pander to them? Many want to work, start businesses, etc. Sell them on the American dream not welfare.

Did you know that many hispanics who come legally aren't exactly thrilled with illegal immigration either?! Do you honestly think a Hispanic that came legally, dealt with all the red tape, is going to vote for you because you turn a blind eye to illegal immigration? Do you think that Hispanic who now pays taxes, is going to love dolling out money for illegal healthcare and such?

As an analogy, I have an Italian background. A politican wouldn't get my vote if they started pandering to the mafia. "I won't go after the mob, in order to secure the paisano vote" That's the same mentality polticians have with illegal immigration.

Why are Republicans heads in the sand over illegal immigration? Also a note: illegals can't (or shouldn't) vote anyway. So why are you pandering to a crowd that can't vote for you.

Of course the other half of the answer is the cheap labor that donates money.

[dagnabbit]

Except Hispanics who can vote and are American Citizens are not happy with illegal immigration... so IMHO would increase the Republican Hispanic Vote.

Would be nice if true, but it isn't.

Hispanics "who can vote and are American Citizens" elect open-border democrats. Look at Texas in the county-by-county 2004 election map. There is a tide of Blue washing up from the Rio Grande.

[inquest]

I suppose what I'm getting at is whom would you recommend voting for in the '08 primaries? Even if we were to say that Tancredo's chances aren't all that high (although I wouldn't write him off), why not vote for him anyway?

[Constantine XIII]

I don't fear the Constitution Party. I think it's a silly waste of time by good people who mean well.

[dagnabbit]

The real polls on election days indicate otherwise.

[inquest]

Absolutely no more of a waste than voting GOP, unless the GOP's able to actually put out a good candidate (which I'm not holding my breath on).