Recent Summit of the Americas a Success, U.S. Official Says (taxpayers will be stuck money)

U.S. State Department ^ | 16 Nov 2005 | USINFO

[hedgetrimmer]

Seventy six percent of US agricultural subidies are green box meaning they are approved by the global socialists at the WTO.

[hedgetrimmer]

The president has proposed eliminating 60% of this welfare program

To favor AFRICA and other LDCs, and to confirm it in an international socialist conclave called the Doha round to be held in Hong Kong. Since when is it the purpose of the president to get his walking orders from AFRICAN nations about what to spend in our domestic economy? No American can approve of the direct interference of foreign governments in our domestic economy, unless they are the falsely named "free traders".

[Toddsterpatriot]

Oh, I guess Congress developed the "green box" system and is just paying out on it after they debated it before the American people, in keeping with the idea of representative government.

I don't know how Congress developed this system. I didn't hear it debated before, did you? Did they vote for the money? If they did then I guess, whether you or I like it or not, it's something that our elected representatives authorized. It was not authorized by an unelected group of bureaucrats or ministers.

You can argue that Congress was unwise to spend the money but you cannot argue that it was not authorized by Congress. If you continue to do so you will look even sillier (if that's possible) than you already do.

[Mase]

There is no defense for these expenditures

There may be hope for you yet. Consider your condemning farm welfare as the first step in your twelve step freer trade program. Step two: admit that the OAS is not going to come to your home and take your vitamins away.

Remember hedge, don't bite off too much at once. Baby steps.....

[Toddsterpatriot]

Seventy six percent of US agricultural subidies are green box meaning they are approved by the global socialists at the WTO.

The WTO approving of something we wanted to do is not the same as the WTO forcing us to do something. Did the UN approve of our invasion of Iraq? TFB, we did it anyway.

[hedgetrimmer]

I don't know how Congress developed this system

Because THEY didn't.

[Mase]

Seventy six percent of US agricultural subidies are green box meaning they are approved by the global socialists at the WTO.

Congress no longer passes the annual budget? The things I never knew!!

[Toddsterpatriot]

Because THEY didn't.

So Congress didn't develop the system yet they authorized the money for it? And that makes it unconstitutional how exactly?

[hedgetrimmer]

The WTO approving of something we wanted to do

Landowners don't want to retire their farmland. Farmland is property. Property is foundation of all our rights. The WTO and falsely named "free traders" want the US taxpayer to fund farmland retirement programs, which our Congress obliges. Why does the WTO want US farmers to retire their land? (AFRICA claims they need this "concession" so that they will sign a "free trade" agreement) Why are these rights harming policies negotiated in Monterrey Mexico and Hong Kong and not in our congress? How can you falsely named "free traders" undermine the foundation of freedom by negotiating "free trade" agreements that make INDIVIUDAL American land owners pay the price for the economic gain of corrupt AFRICAN and LATIN AMERICAN countries?

[hedgetrimmer]

farm welfare is a product of your falsely named "free trade" system, as shown by the "green box" rules which were not developed by Congress.

[hedgetrimmer]

So Congress didn't develop the system yet they authorized the money for it?

this is EXACTLY why its unconstitutional.

[Toddsterpatriot]

Landowners don't want to retire their farmland.

Perhaps you can show us where in this legislation that farmers are forced to retire their farmland?

The WTO and falsely named "free traders" want the US taxpayer to fund farmland retirement programs, which our Congress obliges.

Hmmmm.....sounds like you're saying that Congress approved this action. You have to stop rebutting your own arguments. So how is that outside the Constitution again?

[Toddsterpatriot]

this is EXACTLY why its unconstitutional.

You'll have to show me where in the Constitution it says that Congress has to do anything other than vote on legislation.

I heard that the President sometimes develops legislation. Don't tell anybody that that makes it unconstitutional. LOL!!

Do you have any connection to the real world anymore? Does the state home know you're on the internet?

[Stew Padasso]

"You're outraged that the government invests in things that will provide ROI"

If government is so good at capitalism, why not turn over 100% of your earnings?

[DoughtyOne]

I don't think any of us peons knows what the final form of leadership will be, but some things are simply undeniable.

An organization will be set up to oversee governance. Some of that governance will be international is scope and some of it will cause member states to have to submit to conformity. Some of that comformity will not be detrimental. Some of it will be very detrimental.

There is no denying that we will have to surrender some percentage of self-rule in order for this to come to pass.

No way in hell, is all I have to say. We've practiced trade for 230 years without surrendering our self-determination.

Why now? Nope, no way in hell!

[hedgetrimmer]

An organization will be set up to oversee governance

I think one of the piece parts is this "Facility of the Americas". Kind of like the department of transportation and the Tennessee valley authority rolled into one.

[hedgetrimmer]

"To prevent restrictions and discriminations, governmental control is therefore required. Such control is not only not inconsistent with the free-trade principle; it follows from it"
--Henry George

[Pagey]

read this and that link in POST 17 tonight BUMP!

[Mase]

If government is so good at capitalism, why not turn over 100% of your earnings?

You missed my point. Hedgetrimmer is outraged that our tax dollars are used to facilitate trade but advocates in favor of farm welfare programs to protect inefficient industries. Both are wrong. However, of all the ways our government wastes money, facilitating trade, which increases jobs, our standard of living and tax revenue, should measure low on the vitriol meter when so much more is wasted on unnecessary entitlement programs.

I make this point only to elucidate hedgetrimmer's hypocrisy. Protectionists are only consistent in their inconsistency.

[hedgetrimmer]

You should get it straight, ok?

Hedgetrimmer is outraged that our tax dollars are used to facilitate trade global socialism .

I advocate in favor of farm welfare programs food security to protect inefficient industries America's food supply.

However, of all the ways our government wastes money, facilitating trade global socialism, which increases jobs, our standard of living and tax revenue, should measure low high on the vitriol meter.